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Weird it isn't 60fps on Ps4pro, something to do with it not playing nice with vanilla ps4 maybe?
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Yeah, they don't want to split the player base by giving Pro owners an unfair advantage
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Dem Jaguar cores according to Bungie
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Rorschach wrote:Yeah, they don't want to split the player base by giving Pro owners an unfair advantage
Really?
Does 60fps offer that much on an advantage?
Scorpio version will be nerfed then.
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I'm pretty sure Sony have a clause requiring parity across all PS4 systems when it comes to online play, but it's a bullshit excuse IMO. 60fps absolutely looks smoother than 30fps of course, no argument there... but anyone who thinks their screen updating every ~0.016 seconds vs every ~0.033 seconds constitutes a meaningful advantage in an online shooter needs a reality check. Olympic athletes have a reaction time of around 160ms, and that's to auditory stimuli (which is faster than visual) and a pure reactionary response with no decision-making involved. There are so many contributing factors beyond reaction time that make the best Destiny players in the world the best Destiny players in the world.

Further to that, there's a common misconception that games have to poll the controller input at the same rate as the screen being updated (pro tip: they absolutely do not), which has led to the false idea that more frames = "smoother" controls, in every situation without question. Finally, Destiny PvP netcode doesn't come close to making a round trip from the peer to the host at the same tick as the framerate even in an ideal network environment.

Scorpio has not been 100% confirmed either way (I didn't know this at the time of my last post), so the possibility of 60fps exists... but I doubt it'll happen given Bungovision are in Sony's pockets with this franchise.
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flipswitch wrote:Dem Jaguar cores according to Bungie
No excuse, every other major FPS on consoles is 60fps now.

You're telling me they couldn't even add 60fps to 4v4 multiplayer?

It looks like an expansion and no dedicated servers is a joke. Fool me once...
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Popular gamer Jack Mason (aka "jackfrags") went hands on with Destiny 2 and trashed the fuck out of the home console versions - saying that comparing the console vs. PC versions of the game is like "night and day". :cry:

Seriously...Microsoft better get their shit together and start developing some XBOX EXCLUSIVE games, because if Scorpio is yet another XB1 (fuck all exclusives where both Microsoft's very own games AND third party games are inferior on XBOX when compared to PC)...then they are nailing their own coffin. :wink:

No matter what lestat says, Scorpio IS jaguar based outdated junk! Watch and see how Destiny 2 ends up being 4K at a piece of shit frame-rate (a fucking 30fps first person shooter??...go fuck yourself!! :roll: ), whilst the PC version is boasting an uncapped frame-rate. :?
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Rorschach wrote:Yeah, they don't want to split the player base by giving Pro owners an unfair advantage
OMFG...you are so full of shit! :wanker:

It's got NOTHING to do with giving PS4 Pro owners an "unfair advantage", and everything to do with PS4 Pro being far too weak to handle 60FPS...
DESTINY 2: PS4 PRO "COULDN'T RUN" GAME AT 60FPS

Destiny 2 will run at a 4K resolution on PS4 Pro, but will be locked to 30 frames per second because of CPU constraints.

Speaking to IGN, game director Luke Smith confirmed that, "it will not run at 60 on the Pro. I don't want people to continue to hope, we're going to be matter-of-fact about that stuff."

"The PS4 Pro is super-powerful, but it couldn't run our game at 60", he added. "Our game's this rich physics simulation, with collision and players, networking etc. It wouldn't run - not enough horsepower there yet."

Project lead Mark Noseworthy explained that while the GPU was powerful enough to render at 4K, it was the CPU that was to blame for the lower frame rate.


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No matter what lestat says, Scorpio IS jaguar based outdated junk! Watch and see how Destiny 2 ends up being 4K at a piece of shit frame-rate (a fucking 30fps first person shooter??...go fuck yourself!! :roll: ), whilst the PC version is boasting an uncapped frame-rate. :?
How many 60fps fps are there on Nintendo systems?
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Nintendo's own shooters since all the way back with the Gamecube have always been 60fps (Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Metroid Prime 3, Sin & Punishment 2, Splatoon...and coming soon, Splatoon 2). :)
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So an on-rails third person shooter is classed as a first person shooter now? Do you even play videogames? :lol:
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Did I say first person, you silly cunt? :?

I said "shooter"! :roll:
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Jasper wrote:Did I say first person, you silly cunt? :?

I said "shooter"! :roll:
Re-read what I quoted again and what I asked ya hairy dagged man pussy.
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No matter what lestat says, Scorpio IS jaguar based outdated junk! Watch and see how Destiny 2 ends up being 4K at a piece of shit frame-rate (a fucking 30fps first person shooter??...go fuck yourself!! :roll: ), whilst the PC version is boasting an uncapped frame-rate. :?
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I chose to answer your question with a "twist", because your question was fucking stupid! :down:

Whether it be first person or third person...Nintendo's own shooters have always been 60fps since the Gamecube generation. 8)
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Isn't Splatoon just a waggle paintball game?

Anyway Eurogamer's preview of Destiny 2 PC...basically it shits on the console versions which surprises no one.
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apparently it was running on medium settings on a high end machine.
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Not really surprised they're sticking to 30fps.

PC still the best place to play for multiplatform.

Launches Oct 24 on PC.
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Well, maybe. It's pretty much a given that the PS4 will have the most active userbase, and the Sony-exclusive content will be 0fps on PC for the first year or two.

6th of September confirmed for consoles. That will be an unproductive day for me.
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Owning a PC that will run this at 4k 60fps, I feel obliged to get the PC version. Will be there on launch day!
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Gamma wrote:I'm pretty sure Sony have a clause requiring parity across all PS4 systems when it comes to online play, but it's a bullshit excuse IMO. 60fps absolutely looks smoother than 30fps of course, no argument there... but anyone who thinks their screen updating every ~0.016 seconds vs every ~0.033 seconds constitutes a meaningful advantage in an online shooter needs a reality check. Olympic athletes have a reaction time of around 160ms, and that's to auditory stimuli (which is faster than visual) and a pure reactionary response with no decision-making involved. There are so many contributing factors beyond reaction time that make the best Destiny players in the world the best Destiny players in the world.

Further to that, there's a common misconception that games have to poll the controller input at the same rate as the screen being updated (pro tip: they absolutely do not), which has led to the false idea that more frames = "smoother" controls, in every situation without question. Finally, Destiny PvP netcode doesn't come close to making a round trip from the peer to the host at the same tick as the framerate even in an ideal network environment.

Scorpio has not been 100% confirmed either way (I didn't know this at the time of my last post), so the possibility of 60fps exists... but I doubt it'll happen given Bungovision are in Sony's pockets with this franchise.

While all legit points I wouldn't doubt at all that a 60fps player has a distinct advantage over a 30fps player. Regardless of the Olympians' 160ms, a 12ms response in a musical instrument is borderline unplayable and massively noticeable compared to 6ms. Obviously shooting noobs sporadically is not the same as playing smooth music, but just noting that we can notice response times even that low in some scenarios.

With equivalent input polling and network latency, the argument that a 60fps screen update shouldn't outplay 30fps sounds feasible, but just from seeing how easily we feel even difference that low, I really wouldn't put money on it.


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Really though consoles, still talking about 30fps anything.
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Gamma wrote:Well, maybe. It's pretty much a given that the PS4 will have the most active userbase, and the Sony-exclusive content will be 0fps on PC for the first year or two.

6th of September confirmed for consoles. That will be an unproductive day for me.
It's worrying that a single strike will be so important, we're just gonna be as content starved as the first one.
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Can't wait for this one. Started playing Destiny again and grabbed the final DLC. Heading towards maxing out at 400. Would hate to see how many hours I have pumped into this game. Will most likely grab the PS4 version again.
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Missing out on a strike is pretty big, and like last time it will be the same price... Xb1 owners should avoid, I wasn't buying anyway but xb1 owners shouldn't touch this.

Exclusive Armour and weapons I'm fine with, but a strike? That's the meat.
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Even PC gamers get shafted. Terrible deal. 1-3 months I can handle, but 12 months is bullshit, especially since in 12 months time the strike is useless because they bring out new higher level strikes.
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