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God, can't anyone write an article anymore? No, it's gotta be on be youtube -_-
Anyway, in defense of Destiny 2.
1. "Bright" engrams only contain cosmetic items, so who gives a shit.
2. You get SHOWERED with gear anyway. I've never even used a mod (cosmetic or otherwise) as I know I'll get some new gear in 15 mins or so. I've got so much gear to choose from, and I've never even bought anything from the shop (in game currency or real world) or even done grindy missions for XP/moneys.
3. The game is so damn easy I don't even know why they have levels or XP. It's not like i could go do a mission that was I wasn't a high enough level for and actually have some challenging gameplay. The only level restriction I think is at level 16 (out of 20) which unlocks the raids. 2, raids -_-. And 1 of them is stupidly easy anyway.


I get the feeling that most loot crate criticism comes from people who haven't played the games in question and repeat second hand info. For instance, I've seen multiple online criticisms of the Forza 7 loot crates which contain at least one of these falsehoods:
- you can use real money to buy the crates
- the mods you get from crates can change a day/dry race into a rain/night race
- the mods you get from crates alter the performance of your cars
- the main way to get cars is from loot crates


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An FAQ needs to be written up in question and answer form for those late to the party to explain differences between the gameplay-affecting versions of lootboxes which cost money that involve mere chance of getting what you wish ... vs ... the loot box in games which do not affect game design to be changed around only making the greedy company profits.

The profit-motivated ones which affect the game design to make you want to pay your way past boring stuff (Battlefront II) are the ones that people are afraid/angry/boycotting, not the overwatch ones which many just blame because it's a popular game that popularised the idea to have them in games.

This way the good companies that have lootboxes in them that don't make the design shit for the beancounters, don't get used as a shield by the bad companies that know they can shift the blame to the other companies in hopes it won't hurt their share value.

If a full price game has F2P bullshit in it and feels like a store to cheat your way to victory, then it's immoral by most people's standards. But the problem is kids are young and don't read. They are unaware of the poor value they get when they pester mum and dad to pay for their in-game virtual currency to obtain power boost over others. Little kids haven't developed a sense of right and wrong yet. And that's who the greedy company is targeting, not people who can think for themselves and cynical enough to stay away from these games. The parents are just as clueless as kids and probably don't check what is being bought and this allows the company to prey on the weakness. Videogames are no longer the exclusive domain of the cynical neckbeard as seen in the Simpsons in the form of Comic Book Guy. The new gamers are children with Xboxes and playstations who don't care about value because their parents are paying for it all and are not aware of how they are getting ripped off. (and how pointless playing a multiplayer competitive game is where people can just kill them with cheats turned on. Rich guy gets to play in God mode while poor guy is made into a bitch? That's the future of competitive gaming.)

It's all about comunication. Notice how sneaky they are? Only saying sorry after getting caught red-handed? They wouldn't do that if you didn't notice that you were getting ripped off. The profits are always more tempting to them than the need to maintain high customer satisfaction. Unless the fear of being boycotted by the masses outweighs the greed of making huge profits from scamming the honest player who just want to play a fair game amoungst themselves and where skill determines who wins. So it's important to wake people up.

We also need to watch out for the internet being ruined by the greedy corporations which will make it more expensive to do things on it, by fighting for net neutrality.



Poor guys are going to be reamed in the future. Games getting expensive, internet getting expensive. Less single player titles. Kids who don't know they are getting walet raped thinking it's normal to be raped and giving EA more power which will cause the hobby to suck. So many things to watch out for. Pirates need to be ready to challenge the greedy guys who use spyware in software to figure out what players haven't bought DLC and deliberately matching them up with players that have bought all the DLC and pay-to-win cheats. If companies pay off the government to turn a blind eye to the proble, that wil be last resort. Just remove the always online and spyware stuff from games.

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God, can't anyone write an article anymore? No, it's gotta be on be youtube -_-
Anyway, in defense of Destiny 2.
1. "Bright" engrams only contain cosmetic items, so who gives a shit.
2. You get SHOWERED with gear anyway. I've never even used a mod (cosmetic or otherwise) as I know I'll get some new gear in 15 mins or so. I've got so much gear to choose from, and I've never even bought anything from the shop (in game currency or real world) or even done grindy missions for XP/moneys.
3. The game is so damn easy I don't even know why they have levels or XP. It's not like i could go do a mission that was I wasn't a high enough level for and actually have some challenging gameplay. The only level restriction I think is at level 16 (out of 20) which unlocks the raids. 2, raids -_-. And 1 of them is stupidly easy anyway.


I get the feeling that most loot crate criticism comes from people who haven't played the games in question and repeat second hand info. For instance, I've seen multiple online criticisms of the Forza 7 loot crates which contain at least one of these falsehoods:
- you can use real money to buy the crates
- the mods you get from crates can change a day/dry race into a rain/night race
- the mods you get from crates alter the performance of your cars
- the main way to get cars is from loot crates

The point of including these loot crates is to condition the player into accepting it. They then slowly make earning items more difficult and watch as people crack and buy them.

They have analytics in the game and see player engagement, I implore people to not use them even if they don't cost real money.


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It's called normalisation or boiling frog technique.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=normalcy%20bias

-Our generation had the cheat codes which were free.
-The next generation will have to pay for it as it becomes standard in all games.
-The next one after that will probably buy the cheat codes in bulk and the power boost works on a timer like a subscription service. Your power goes back to normal if you don't keep paying to keep it. EG blizzard shut down legacy pirate WoW servers just so they can re-charge you for the experience of playing vanilla WoW again by launching paid edition. LOL :lol:

So what they do is a gradual introduction of it and observe the reactions. If we react violently they pause (but don't get rid of the anti-consumer practice) If our reaction is that we don't notice it or don't care they can move it up a level in intensity.
But the long term plan is probably to keep it there to make it 'normal for all companies to have it' so that when you complain about it the generation after you says 'so what? that's always been there! what are you whining about?' ... because they are too young to have known any better times before they were born.

This is the boiling frog technique of slowly turning up the temperature so the frog doesn't immediately jump out of the water. Gradually turning up the temperature a little bit each time allows them to slowly get their foot in the door in the hopes you don't notice what they are doing,.

How do you defeat the boiling frog technbique? You got to first expose all the anti-consumer shit to friends and family and warn them about it. This creates a critical mass. You then boycott buying the stupid games that put it in there. This then drops the share value of the companies that like to rip you off. And then you reward any companies that avoid being anti-consumer in order to demonstrate to the other companies which ones you WANT to suceed. (eg CDPR which is still making the single player games and giving good value for money compared to other companies)

When bethesda got criticised for horse armour, they explained a lot of people were still buying it despite all the criticisms and this showed that companies will do what profits them to stay alive in the industry. What you have to do is boycott the stuff by withholding the money. And only buy the good stuff so that the bad stuff fails commercially.
If you WERE the company and you wanted to make the most money it is what you would do. So this isn't so much about morals, but more about you as victim of the scam maintaining some self control. After all, can you blame a business for doing what makes it the most money? No that is its purpose and the workers have mouths to feed and bills to pay.

What you as the consumer must do is encourage them to make money while not creating junk products so that they maintain high quality and value WHILE profiting. That's your best interest as a buyer. (because you want them to live long enough to be able to service you i nfuture with things if you like them right?) But since they are sneaky, it takes cynics to point out the bad design decisions not children. Kids don't pay for their games. Their parents do.
If kids don't care about value why should the business that sells the junk if it works to make them money? The fool who bought the junk isn't really being ripped off or scammed because the fool is too dumb to know if anything better existed before to even be able to complain that they don't want that junk. (to them junk is normal level of quality, while junk is junk to people who seen better deals in the past)

So this is why they will go with a boiling frog strategy. (ie hope people are too dumb to notice, and sneak this stuff in by not mentioning when they are fiddling with the numbers like market manipulators do to rob people of their wealth) Just exploit ignorance so that eventually people get sick of talking about the topic and give up. When the hardcore gamers are no longer needed because they only make up a tiny slice of the profits, the greedy companies can then keep quality and value low while prices for the product or service high without anyone complaining that it's bad service since the masses of new consumer zombies are USED to that level of quality for years and don't see it as low quality anymore. After all, if everything you experienced was low quality since your birth, and your environment is full of bad deals, an ok deal must seem like a bargain. What greedy companies want is a marekt full of low quality but high priced product to maximise profits while being able to take shortcuts without anyone noticing the water down quality. To do that requires diluting the content a little bit each time a new game comes out so people don't notice. By the time they do, it's become 'normal', so complaininig about it is considered being whiny and entitled to the masses around you who don't notice anything getting worse, because of a nomalcy bias. (kids and their parents who spoiled them with so much money that they don't care how expensive the game is in total or how bad a deal is) In fact instead of attacking the greedy corporation they may even defend them (if they are shareholder) or just out of fanboyish passion which comes from emotional bond to the faceless corporation. Think of it like Stockholm syndrome or battered wife syndrome by the victim of wallet rape who feels sympathy for the abuser. (ie pretty much any destiny fan when you explain to them that Warframe is superior :P )

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I want them to suffer.


Me too. They've gotten incredibly lazy and complacent. They rely on only a small handful of annularised franchises that everybody is sick to death of, while ignoring their vast back-catalogue that gamers would go nuts for.

  • Road Rash
  • Skitchin
  • Strike
  • Theme Park
  • Theme Hospital
  • Dungeon Keeper
  • Andretti Racing
  • Boulder Dash
  • Ultima
  • Wing Commander
  • Dune
  • Command & Conquer
  • James Pond

I want them to suffer just for not bothering with these franchises (plus many more) anymore, let along this loot crate/MTX nonsense that they're pulling.

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We have reached a point now where it's best to assume they are all shape shifting reptilions just to be on the safe side. The plan to starve them should be the consumer's main strategy still..That is until they repent.

Withold your money. The suits need to feel pain. They won't know if you are serious until you stop buying the pay to win LB. (teach your kids math so they know how much the get reamed.) Unless it's a free to play game then you shouldn't be having to pay for decent game progress speed.


If EA gets away with it, companies like capcom and CDProjekt Red will end up following. Other companies are watching your reaction to lootcrates to see how far they can get away with wallet rape like a little bratty kid who is annoying you to see what you'll do. If you are a pushover they continue more abuse unless you draw the line in the sand and set firm boundaries and enforcing them. (witholding money is the equivalent to spanking the kid)

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Don't forget Syndicate. Even the update was awesome. Still illegal to buy in Australia but managed to get a key off Amazon

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And mail order monsters.


Would love to see a live action movie based on this game. Sort of like Jurassic Park mixed with Hunger games and G-Gundam.
In the future humans colonise the galaxy and to entertain the aliens, monstr tournaments are held on earth featured captured monster species from other worlds to see which is the most powerful monster.

You'd have reptilian types like in monster hunter, robotic lifeforms like Horizon Zero Dawn (these would be dumb as doornails), hybrid human-monsters (the result of experiments in military labs to create the ultimate bioweapons and super soldiers which went rogue (think wolverine with adamantium bones) mythical beasts from the past which were brought back from extinction (the stuff you see in final fantasy games) and rare creatures nobody thought existed (bigfoot) and horror movie monsters from space that need a host to feed from (xenomorph, the monster in the' john carpenter remake of 'the thing') , and finally 'magick' monsters with elemental powers that were summoned from another dimension and made from the thoughforms of highly advanced beings that converted them from their own minds into reality. (these are made of pure energy. Think of Pyron from Darkstalkers)

The good monsters plot their escape and break their mind control devices to attack man for using them as entertainment. (the hero look like the EVA from evangelion and goes berserk on the scientists)

If EA were smart they could have an ip as big as pokemon but noooo they just make sport sim shit now.

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UFC 3 looking lootalicious. :D
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"Whilst EA Sports UFC 2 featured many similar microtransaction mechanics, it truly feels as though the online competition has reached a new level of inconsequence. Bear in mind that the microtransactions and all systems in effect, are part of a beta test. Despite this, it is equally significant to consider that the release date of February 2nd is looming ever closer, thus, it may be too late for drastic changes to be effectively implemented.

Every single technique, ability, fighter, and stat roll, is entirely acquired and upgraded through the loot box system. A brand-new player fresh out of the tutorials, can dump $1,000 into the game, acquire the rarest loot drops and immediately jump into online competition with a beastly custom fighter that has an exceedingly large health pool, vastly improved endurance, and substantially stronger strikes than the average player who simply pays the $60 price of admission. The higher the rarity of the item, the more significant the improvement overall. Pressing the square button to throw a punch at an opponent, quite literally the simplest and most obvious mechanic in an MMA game, perfectly exemplifies the absurdity of the microtransactions in question. A base level jab will do minimal damage to online opponents, however a fighter that purchases a loot box and acquires a five-star rarity level jab, will not only have a more efficient and powerful technique in combat, but will also be treated to a host of stat increases in all regards, making their player undeniably better in every scenario.

Microtransactions are also the only means of acquiring perks and boosts. Perks are powerful abilities that can be equipped for a small number of fights before expiring. They can range from a low-level stamina improvement during a certain phase, whether that be striking, grappling or ground game, to a significant hit point increase during pivotal health events, wherein your opponent has damaged you enough to potentially end the fight. Boosts on the other hand are similarly temporary enhancements that offer endurance boosts and durability bonuses. It is clear to see that in combination with technique enhancements and overall stat increases, EA has taken every single aspect of genuine competition and buried it."


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I think I'll play offline games in couch multi from now on....Oh wait, I always preferred that. Fuck the spyware and 'pay to cheat' crap. Everyone should just buy tekken 7 instead. Lol

Literally going to re-buy ultimate marvel vs capcom3 on ps4 right now btw.. $15 only. Love buying real games. (Still saving for MVC Infinite. Too much missing shit for me to buy on launch..KOF14 and DBFighterZ have loads of content day 1)

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https://www.astutegaming.com/single-post/EASPORTSUFC3BETA
UFC 3 looking lootalicious. :D
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"Whilst EA Sports UFC 2 featured many similar microtransaction mechanics, it truly feels as though the online competition has reached a new level of inconsequence. Bear in mind that the microtransactions and all systems in effect, are part of a beta test. Despite this, it is equally significant to consider that the release date of February 2nd is looming ever closer, thus, it may be too late for drastic changes to be effectively implemented.

Every single technique, ability, fighter, and stat roll, is entirely acquired and upgraded through the loot box system. A brand-new player fresh out of the tutorials, can dump $1,000 into the game, acquire the rarest loot drops and immediately jump into online competition with a beastly custom fighter that has an exceedingly large health pool, vastly improved endurance, and substantially stronger strikes than the average player who simply pays the $60 price of admission. The higher the rarity of the item, the more significant the improvement overall. Pressing the square button to throw a punch at an opponent, quite literally the simplest and most obvious mechanic in an MMA game, perfectly exemplifies the absurdity of the microtransactions in question. A base level jab will do minimal damage to online opponents, however a fighter that purchases a loot box and acquires a five-star rarity level jab, will not only have a more efficient and powerful technique in combat, but will also be treated to a host of stat increases in all regards, making their player undeniably better in every scenario.

Microtransactions are also the only means of acquiring perks and boosts. Perks are powerful abilities that can be equipped for a small number of fights before expiring. They can range from a low-level stamina improvement during a certain phase, whether that be striking, grappling or ground game, to a significant hit point increase during pivotal health events, wherein your opponent has damaged you enough to potentially end the fight. Boosts on the other hand are similarly temporary enhancements that offer endurance boosts and durability bonuses. It is clear to see that in combination with technique enhancements and overall stat increases, EA has taken every single aspect of genuine competition and buried it."



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Jim Sterling is back to hating nintendo again:



And people think game industry isn't doomed._.

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Game as a service is here to stay. Single player games are doomed.

Indie companies will save us. The next generation of gamer is doomed. Notice how there are no plans for GTA sequels because GTA5 Online is the big money maker? Just like megaman dying off the old way of making money from games is dead.
Will avoid triple A gaming from now on.(except nintendo games and CDPR stuff)

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I don't agree with this but worth chucking in here:


Cosmetics don't affect the balance of a game so to me it's fine. If they give you new unlockable characters which are free I am ok with this. Let the hipster buy stupid horsey armour shit. Just don't cripple my performance because I didn't buy my way to victory. He is being extreme now. If you want to look different, you should pay extra to be cooler than others. If you want power, you got to earn it otherwise poor guys will never be incentivised to bother even playing.

The ideal is to just make everything unlockable with no need to pay. But companies will never go back to something that makes them less money once asking for money to buy skins has been normalised which it has already..Nobody forces you to buy skins, so you can ignore that. But power boosts can't be ignored because it ruins balance. Games are games. Not paintings. The fun is the stuff you can do in them, not showing off or getting attention for how well dressd you can be.

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I played through the Battlefront 2 campaign and enjoyed it quite a bit.

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Seeing the Death Star blow up while on the ground on Endor as an Imperial was pretty cool, as was seeing the Starkiller Base beam shooting across the galaxy from another perspective, and securing the plans to the First Order Dreadnaught Poe takes out at the start of The Last Jedi linked things up nicely too. I hope we get more single player content.


The space battles looked so good (from what I understand Criterion developed those segments) but were quite dull to play which sucked. We need a new X-Wing/TIE Fighter game.

I liked the banter between the characters too. I found them all likeable, the newbies plus the classics. It felt a bit Mass Effect-ish.

Haven't touched MP and the loot box side of things yet.

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So in the first frame he rang up the helpline and was charged $1.50 a minute for cheats, and the second frame he just used his credit card and unlocked them. ;)


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We are never going to go back to the way things used to be.

Once the big businesses get a taste of power they are seduced by the darkside of the force.

Same thing with the feminism of today that even 2nd wave feminists are against.



There comes a point where instead of being about being fair to customers it becomes a race to see how far they can push things to up the share price of the company. With feminism once they got their power they were happy for a time and then new entitled women took over the operations, hijacked it and made it a vehicle for getting free stuff and sucking money out of males for power and control over the world.

Lestat my best advice is to invest your money into companies that don't do this and encourage friends to avoid buying games from companies that don't respect the customer. Even if it doesn't DO anything, it's the principle. You can use that money helping rivel company to compete. At some point hardcore gamers are going to get outnumbered by the casuals and business turns the atention away from us towards the group that they can most milk of money. But that doesn't mean you can't support ones that are trying to make things fair.

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