GeneraL CyberFunK wrote:There are definitely games made with love and made with the intent to be good games.. and not cash grabs.
Monster Hunter World, Horizon Zero Dawn.. Persona 5.. these games are amazing... Monster Hunter especially since it was released among a heap of games causing their own controversy.. yet there is MHW.. giving hours of content and things to do and there is more stuff to come.. and I paid $79 for it... and the game is so full and brimming with further potential.. if they do in fact release paid DLC.. I would be happy to pay it because of how much I was given in the first place.
I completely agree with this.
Gaming is fucking great right now, there are so many options across so many platforms.
To me if you think games aren't made with love you need to broaden your gaming horizons.
Yeah I'm not seeing the cash grab with sea of thieves, you can play it for 12 bucks on gamepass, there is no DLC or micro transactions. I think a lot of people even enjoyed it on a free 2 week trial of gamepass. If you paid full retail for it, well I'd like to know what rock you've been living under all this time.
Don’t need to. Just thought I’d look at what comes up in a google search of ‘ sea of thieves stinks’, since some say it’s a breath of fresh air and others a stale fart
Biggest game of last year was PUBG, I thought that game was a wet fart, buggy, shit framerate, so so graphics, 1 map. But look at it now. It's just the way with these online centric games now. The biggest game right now is Fortnite and that's a f2p title still in beta/early access with $20 skins, something Epic admitted they knocked up in 2 months.
The industry is just changing and with game development costs so high, the whole early access model is a way developers can get a feel if something will work and spread the risk.
lestat wrote:The industry is just changing and with game development costs so high, the whole early access model is a way developers can get a feel if something will work and spread the risk.
Not to mention it's really good for building up a fanbase if you're in a niche genre - Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program are two hugely successful games that probably would never have gained traction if it weren't for early access and people spreading it through word-of-mouth (well... social media, etc).
Indie games are where it's at right now, IMO.
The sky calls to us; if we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars
If a company like Sega can make a PSO game that looks and controls like Warframe and make it an open world as nice to look at as Xenoblade games I would be excited.
Phantasy Star Online 3. Funded by nintendo and made for the switch. Open world backdrops by monolith soft world designers. Monsters with realism like in Monster Hunter in terms of behavior. Realtime combat that reward player skill. It's time for Sega to stop making sonic the hedghog games that suck and start focusing on big projects. Games that can get 10 10 10 10 10 10 like Zelda BOTW with graphics that are not dated and feel fun to play with open world that you want to live inside because it looks beautiful..
Now that nintendo lost capcom's MH franchise to sony they need a big open world loot grind game that can make money on skins and other shit like these F2p games but with the seal of kwality of a zelda. (balanced, non-buggy on launch, dungeons that look diverse and unique enough from each other to make you feel like you are actually visiting different lands with actual puzzles rather than ugly randomly generated mazes etc)
Would love sega to relaunch PSO1 with graphics upgrade. Put it on Switch and add some new content. Then sega uses the money from long-time sega dreamcast fans who bought the re-release to fund PSO 3. Do it nintendo! Give them some moneyhats. You lost Monster Hunter damn you. Good for sony but bad for you.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto
I can see value in some of the arguments and accept there are some good games available. But when you look at the industry as a whole and all of the behavior of most of the major publishers (microtransactions, loot boxes, spun out DLC, pay-to-win) we're far away from gaming nirvana. Most games that comes out feel like open-world, online cash extractors that puts wallets ahead of enjoyment.
Gaming has followed other mass media formats into a market format where profit is king. There might be passionate holdouts (like some indi devs and a few exceptions like CD Projekt etc.), but ultimately anything that is truly awesome will get sucked into the whirlpool of greed and likely end up a victim of a major publisher.
God Of War might cheer some of you up then. Conventional big production first party single player game with no loot boxes earning multiple perfect scores. Just like the old days.
Peppermint Lounge wrote:God Of War might cheer some of you up then. Conventional big production first party single player game with no loot boxes earning multiple perfect scores. Just like the old days.
And yet there are framerate issues on the PS4 pro. I think God of War will be a great game but its scores are higher than normal because of the lack of loot boxes and the annoying stuff developers keep putting in. Will be interesting to see how it sells.
I got real disillusioned with the shift away from traditional single player games towards Destiny/The Division/Anthem style games (does that genre have a name?). I tried to get into them but just can't. The last online games I played a lot of were Battlefield 2 and Team Fortress 2. I just don't have the time nor inclination to want to spend hours and hours playing with dickheads online to get good enough to have fun. These days I only want to play single player games and if I do want to play multiplayer it will be local MP with bots. Like me and my wife who play co-op AoE2 vs 6 AI. More games need bots.
There's still plenty of games out there for someone like me, I just have to ignore the hype for things like Anthem and not get too bitter about what happened to Mass Effect and what might happen to Dragon Age
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Currently playing: Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition (PC), Far Cry 4 (PC), FIFA 23 (Series X)
Something very troubling:
IT's all to do with the reptilians. When the interest rates rise, the businesses get scared because the free flow of cash becomes dried up and constipated so out of fear nobody buys things or borrows money which equals contraction of business. (who have to kill jobs to stay above the water or they sink) When people are scared they turn to safe stocks.
We all got to understand the FED and the power of money system control. People are ignorant of what money really is and think they are free when they are not. Whoever is at the top of the pyramid can manipulate the value of your labour. If they can create something from nothing they are gods above you. (unless you operate outside of their control system. IE soveriegn people that trade in gold as money rather than worthless paper which are mere promises to pay. If promise is broken they are left without security which is why they are easy to rob)
Trump is doing his best to inform the public why people were promised a rock star lifestyle but instead getting poorer and poorer. It's a rich man's trick.
The solution is giving people the power (gold, trading in real money, taking away the illusion of wealth which makes people cocky and then central banks exploit this cockiness by creating sudden contraction which causes them to lose big and owe money at interest on money they borrowed from the central banks which never existed in the first place and make them homeless) ....not the private corporate guys that create fake wealth. Every time I see a hip hop artist dancing in a music video wth money raining down from the sky I chuckle. Its not as valuable as the bling bling he is wearing which is universally valuable.
Manipulation of numbers is what is causing confusion. People on the street want to deal in that which is real. But until they understand
A) they are not free
B) they learn why they are not free
C) they realise they were tricked/deceived by bad guys who they listen to for advice
D) they use sound money (ron paul supporters have been trying to do) and learn the difference between currency (promise to pay) and money (actual payment; gold IS money and WAS money in the old days)
E) be willing to sustain freedom by not living above your means (just because you know what the truth is doesn't mean you won't live an irresponsible lifestyle, just as fat guys who eat too much junk food know they are harming themselves but might continue to eat bad diet still) Older generations saved up as sacrifice for their grandkids and were planners. Now everyone is broke and just struggling to stay alive. That's because you bought the lie. It tasted sweet and instead of swallowing the bitter pill of truth you are confused as to why the bad guys who are dishonest seem to win and the good guys lose. You are honest and they are intelligent psychopaths who are good at blending in with normal people to get what they want through manipulation. You simply deny that they are abusing/robbing you out of fear of looking stupid so you defend their actions even though they work against your best interest. It's called pride. Pride is an unpardonable sin.
...you won't see long lasting change.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto
Are you living in a vacuum?
2019 ain't going to be pretty.
Publishers and developers attacking and insulting their customers.
Micro-transactions in full price games up the arse.
Board members and Executives dumping their shares.
Yes and the funny thing is rich dudes can buy up things for cheap. Then turn the direction of a company away from the original vision.
So the solution imo is all these developers who are still single, (ie if you have a family to feed maybe your options are limited) leave and form indie company and make lower budget titles where feminists won't bother using entryism. They will gravitate towards high profile companies to extract the power out of those businesses to boss the men around in those companies and demasculate them. Just trust me the Obama crowd is still holding power.
Nintendo is smart and staying neutral. They will cave once in a while to SJW but like Bandai Namco have a good track record of not giving a shit what american radical left wing PC thugs think of them.
Game industry: take nintendo's lead. Stop pandering to crazy people. It's costing you customers like star wars did. Thanks to these people Luke Skywalker is a whining pussy who runs away from fighting. lol damn feminist retards. If these groups wish to push their propaganda they can still do fan made* games. I don't get why they need to ruin the official stuff.
*BTW I am a fan of the porn re-edits (NSFW) to Zelda BOTW. Zelda's lesbian adventure was amazing. Imagine if nintendo had X rated line of game? They would double their profits. Fuck the uniq-lo t shirts.
Anyway the doom has happened yet. So long as we hardcore gamers still buy games there will always be a market there. But the biggest worry is the mobile gaming crap being brought into the home console scene. Gambling is not my idea of fun. Games should be treated much like sport. You don't let the contestant in the sport to pay the referee or judge money to make it easy to win. This is ruining game design and a reason for people to stop buying games. It's all about honor. A person should want to earn their medal not buy them. If you want to design a game around paying to win that is ok because you were transparent and people knew from the start. But the danger we are facing right now is when they hide the feature on release day, and then activate pay to win after all the reviewers are done reviewing the game. lol If there is one thing I think that can cause a collapse it has got to be that. 1) because it's a deceptive practice. 2) games have expiry dates now when quality dips, which lessens the appeal of playing games.
Instead of playing mobile games where you got to pay to keep gaining advantages over people we need to revert back to the old ways. (eg animal crossing where all the content is in the title on day 1) Big publishers have gotten too big and too greedy and risk driving away people from games. If we want a casino we'll go to the slot machines in real life. The old ways: games are a sport. Today: they are slot machines. Tomorrow: no gameplay at all, you watch other people play the slot machine like a game show and pay to be in the audience.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." -Shigeru Miyamoto
Twiztid Elf wrote:Are you living in a vacuum?
2019 ain't going to be pretty.
Publishers and developers attacking and insulting their customers.
Micro-transactions in full price games up the arse.
Board members and Executives dumping their shares.
There has been wider tech selloff in the markets, so hard to say how much of those falls are from investors expectations of poor performance or just the wider tech scare.
But I agree last year it felt like publishers were hostile to gamers and it's going to be interesting to see how things pan out this year.
We're coming to the tail end of the generation too, so I expect gamers to be focusing on backlogs now, trying to play/finish all those games they've bought. That's going to hurt publishers I think.
Also Fortnite is still doing damage, Blackops doing battle royale saved them somewhat, but I can see people starting to lose interest and pubg seeing a small resurgence.
I'm not surprised at publishers getting hostile at gamers, there are some fucking toss pots out there that think they're owed the world and giving the rest of us a bad name.
selfish wrote:Being a massive fanboy and trying to hide it is Lestat's worst bottleneck.
what?
