Shenmue 1 & 2 HD out 2018 (PS4/XBONE/PC)

Cletus · Post by **Cletus** » 09 Jul 2018 01:24 pm

Lost on me...and played the original.

MiNiStRy · Post by **MiNiStRy** » 12 Jul 2018 05:36 pm

Most games have lost me. I have backlogs of games on every system and for the life of me I cant bring myself to play them. The only games I play now are on my old school bar top arcade machine which has all the classics from the 80's and 90's.

GameHED · Post by **GameHED** » 14 Jul 2018 05:51 pm

I want to see sequels to the old classics. Wonderboy/Monster boy are great example of updates to old shit. The latest Metroid 2 remake was pretty cool.
Don't get why Sega hasn't done that but so obsessed with Sonic. Why not reboot Phantasy Star Online with HD or 4K visuals? Shenmue isn't the only one that people want. We have reached a point now where gameplay hasn't evolved enough for people to really care about new things. They are happy with the old things with new paint. Just like fashion they will get sick of it and demand new things again like in the old days when innovation was the key reason to buy a new game. (not because you were a long time fan of an existing franchise)

Most of the old arcade games I played were capcom fighting games. Don't care for other game types from the 80s and 90s in arcades to be honest. The reason is because by that time consoles caught up. You were seeing almost arcade perfect ports. (and the home console expanded on the old arcade originals eg Shinobi series on genesis, super mario bros on NES etc.. Home console eventually became superior in gameplay when arcade games were specially made with home console in mind eg. Gradius V, Ikaruga, the various training modes in home console ports of fighting games which let you see movelists for every character etc)

Also today's games are now running through the lens of the SJW world view, so us older guys can not relate to losers who feel they are oppresed which is a common trope in social justice warrior circles where women are seen as weak so they have to compensate for being weak by acting ultra masculine which is a turn off for most masculine men who are not gay or effeminite and prefer strong-but-feminine female characters. It would be ok if the characters were deep and interesting but most of them fall into the angry bitter feminist mold (ie they act like dicks to others and mean which could be considered 'cool' to young 12 year old girls) which has been done countless times in american tv shows and movies. Foreign movies and games are much more appealing as a result because it shows more realistic view of women as wannabe men who are limited by their biology.

Science geeks and nerds are not buying the narrative the SJW want to push because we are logicial people and don't mind it in fantasy genre but when you try to present that as 'realistic' we chuckle at this since women never sacrifice themselves for ideals and others. (men have done this all throughout the ages as disposable heroes to defend women and ordered by government to do it or they get ostracised) Because of this, we prefer the old shit when game developers were not trying to preach to us when we are much wiser in the real world than they are. It's like taking a lecture from a kid who just got out of college or uni and has no life experience beyond what their mother and father and government told them. They want to save the world but heroes actually have to have morals and values that are good for us to respect them so that is why everyone hates these new games. You don't want to play a game where a villain tells you that you are bad guy for being normal. As a result men have to escape to something new or go back to the old games to get their fix. (a reboot of duke nukem 3D should be done like what happened to Doom imo.. HR Giger-esque aliens and tentacle rape would be the common theme and Duke is less of a one liner guy and more naturally funny. The immigrants help to fight the aliens and Duke beats Trump in an election and wins the vote to protect everyone from alien rape now that earth has so many genders which makes the alien confused and want to rape men too. When a boy gets raped by aliens the government ignores the suffering and the people call o Duke Nukem to change things. It is discovered the aliens already brainjacked all the leaders in politics which explains why it's not just aliens stealing the babes like in olden times anymore. The aliens can't tell the difference between effeminate men and women because of dropping T levels of the average joe. )

flipswitch · Post by **flipswitch** » 20 Aug 2018 04:00 pm

Heads up.
Out tomorrow. Any buyers?

Can’t find any better deals so just buying from EB..

Rorschach · Post by **Rorschach** » 20 Aug 2018 04:49 pm

I’ll get it at some point. Just for the nostalgia

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 20 Aug 2018 04:51 pm

When do the reviews drop?

F for Fake · Post by **F for Fake** » 20 Aug 2018 05:51 pm

This reminded me to buy with the pre-order discount. Dunno if I'll ever play it, but gotta support that SEGA -_-

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 20 Aug 2018 09:51 pm

Pre-ordered with two hours to spare.

:ironchef:

Deef · Post by **Deef** » 21 Aug 2018 12:38 pm

Question about the Yakuza series. I get a bit GameHED when it comes to quests in modern adventure games, and one thing I admired about Shenmue was the way you had to rely on the world itself to get anywhere. No quest icons, no quest tags on the side of the screen telling you what to do, no HUD compass pointing the way, etc etc. Just NPCs that leave you wondering wheretf all the sailors are at.

Since it gets compared a lot, how's Yakuza in that regard? Is it (a) possible to disable all such helpers, then (b) practical to play in that way?

Case in point being Horizon Zero Dawn, which lets you turn everything off but is then nonsensically impossible to progress through without memory.

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 21 Aug 2018 02:59 pm

I caved and don't regret it.

flipswitch · Post by **flipswitch** » 21 Aug 2018 03:54 pm

Target didn’t have it, then went to EB.

Both installed.

Froggy · Post by **Froggy** » 21 Aug 2018 04:44 pm

I went and checked EB they had it on both consoles, then I thought I'd go back to work and read some reviews before I realised, if I get it on xbox I'm screwed for 3 as I can't transfer my save? Guess i'll be getting it on ps4 which feels dirty as Shenmue equals Sega vs Sony days.

GameHED · Post by **GameHED** » 21 Aug 2018 06:45 pm

Awesome. Will buy this ASAP.

Okami, Street Fighter 30th anniversary, Dragon's Crown 4K, Dragon's Dogma, Shenmue etc all old but good games that you should introduce younger gamers to so they know what older people were playing in the past.

Will probably end up buying on the sony.

And yeah definitely check out Yakuza series. What Sega need to do is reboot Phantasy Star Online 1 but in 4K. It's time they stopped making Sonic and remember all the other shit that existed. Remember that game Gun Valkyrie on the Xbox original? It was a platform shooter with hard to master controls. They should make another game like that again where boost dodging and acrobatic jumping dashes is the order of the day but this time with bullet time for you to aim with precision like in the FEAR games. (add in the rewind feature of the forza games for shit players so they don't return the game to EBGames after a day of frsutration)

I don't know why but I want to see more innovative shit again. What the fuck is wrong with sega and how boring they have become? The Dreamcast days were the best time in gaming. Sega and Capcom have fallen man. It might be time nintendo buys them like they did Rare, take over Sonic IP and then use nintendo money to continue the Streets of Rage series again.
It's the one franchise I think needs to be done in 4K using 2d Celshaded graphics like guilty gear games, and given the RPG gameplay of a Dragon's Crown game where your character can progress over time. Just release the game at a budget price. (like re-releases of old games)

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 22 Aug 2018 03:53 am

Froggy wrote:I went and checked EB they had it on both consoles, then I thought I'd go back to work and read some reviews before I realised, if I get it on xbox I'm screwed for 3 as I can't transfer my save? Guess i'll be getting it on ps4 which feels dirty as Shenmue equals Sega vs Sony days.

Has there even been any confirmation that the saves transfer over to #3 yet? I hadn't heard anything.

Geez Shenmue 1 is showing its age, even my 7yo boy was asking why only people's lips move and not their bodies when talking to people. And he had no idea what one of those rotor pay phones was. Lol.

Froggy · Post by **Froggy** » 22 Aug 2018 09:23 am

Nah, I read up on it and it looks like none of them are so I'll grab it on the xbone. I think it's in the too hard licensing/game engine/sega not wanting to help basically basket. There's no reason why they probably couldn't have done it but when I actually thought about it, I'm sure they want to sell 3 to many people who haven't been in 1 or 2 so I expect some sort of recap and then fresh start in 3.

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 23 Aug 2018 12:55 pm

Found the tattooist last night, about to have an encounter at the arcade at 3pm!

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 24 Aug 2018 04:23 am

Encounter at Arcade never popped, think I did something else to progress the story. If I was playing on the DC I'd be starting on Disc 2 as I catch the bus to Warehouse #8.

It's weird, I'm enjoying this more than I did back in 2001. Maybe that'll change when I'm racing forklifts.

GameHED · Post by **GameHED** » 24 Aug 2018 10:28 am

Remember the game was set in the 80s so those rotary phones were the norm. You are mistaking the age of the time period with the age of the game itself. Back then gangs used their fist and feet and beat you up man to man. Then the 90s came and everyone started shooting people with guns.

I miss the 80s and Tuff Turf and The Warriors. (but not the Double Dragon Live action movie which I think could have worked better in a post apoc setting like we see in Double Dragon Advance)

Would love to see rockstar make a game where you hire school shooters (you pay them in gift cards) to kill the SJWs who are unarmed because they don't believe in guns to defend themselves and the purpose is to keep games fun again where you can kill people: babies, old ladies, hookers, animals, wear their skin and absorb their powers and take their loot like in Castlevania: SOTN. The game is free and you are allowed to pirate it. It is completely modable on console and essentially its a politically incorrect title like Hatred. The purpose of the game is to show SJW you can be the bad guy or good guy by simply swapping the characters around and nobody has to whine about it because you can edit the content. Don't like Trump supporters? Change the targets to Trump supporters to get your version of the game. This will teach kids that no matter who you don't get along with, the point is we aren't stopping our fun for you but you can have your fun and we won't stop you from having it.

The world is changing and slowly getting worse. SJW are destroying all my fun. They are on the payroll of the reptilians just as I warned.

Old games with shitty graphics are still fun if they have complexity that still matched what we play today. You just got to look at it similar to watching old movies. Eg you can view the original star wars without cg and appreciate the story despite the movie having no digital VFX right? That's how I look at it.

A good example of this is when the PS2 era came out and all th JRPG sucked on it. The best RPG seem to be on machines with limitations. All the best SNES RPG are way better than anything you saw on ps2 generation and Xenoblade series (despite being on lesser hardware than other systems) still is better game than any JRPG on the other more powerful systems.
I used that to teach people that you can't just look at the machine and the budget. There are many low budget games that have more personality and depth than high budget stuff. Old doesn't mean shit. In fact the reason we are seeing interest in old style WRPG games again is thanks to indie games. Divinity Original Sin 2 and Pillars of Eternity are welcome today with open arms. And lets not forget portable stuff like Etrian Odysey. (brings us back to the old days when games were hard)

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stanard · Post by **stanard** » 24 Aug 2018 10:30 am

t0mby wrote:Encounter at Arcade never popped, think I did something else to progress the story. If I was playing on the DC I'd be starting on Disc 2 as I catch the bus to Warehouse #8.

It's weird, I'm enjoying this more than I did back in 2001. Maybe that'll change when I'm racing forklifts.

Honestly I loved the forklifts!

flipswitch · Post by **flipswitch** » 24 Aug 2018 10:51 am

I’m waiting until the weekend to get into this.

How are the controls. Left stick move character and right to move camera?

I’ve read that the right stick is to move Ryo’s head. Still classic tank controls I guess.

And you can apparently save anywhere now.

Load times when entering shops, do they still exist? On Dreamcast you would have the typical back screen appear with name of shop, time and day. Are these still present?

F for Fake · Post by **F for Fake** » 24 Aug 2018 10:58 am

You can actually beat the guy at the arcade(I forget his name), gotta keep sweeping the leg and knocking him over iirc.

Hercy · Post by **Hercy** » 24 Aug 2018 11:54 am

The movement controls are the old tank controls, but the twin sticks of modern controllers make things a bit easier because you don't have to hold the trigger to go into free look mode.

Loading times are instant except for the location/time card that displays for a couple of seconds.

t0mby · Post by **t0mby** » 24 Aug 2018 04:28 pm

stanard wrote:
t0mby wrote:Encounter at Arcade never popped, think I did something else to progress the story. If I was playing on the DC I'd be starting on Disc 2 as I catch the bus to Warehouse #8.

It's weird, I'm enjoying this more than I did back in 2001. Maybe that'll change when I'm racing forklifts.
Honestly I loved the forklifts!

It wasn't that I hated them back in 2001, it's that I was actually a full time forklift operator so when Ryo got that job my eyes rolled followed by a groan.

flipswitch · Post by **flipswitch** » 25 Aug 2018 04:34 pm

Mods for the PC release are already out.
https://www.nexusmods.com/shenmue" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shenmu ... ead.64003/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 26 Aug 2018 10:24 am

t0mby wrote:
stanard wrote:
t0mby wrote:Encounter at Arcade never popped, think I did something else to progress the story. If I was playing on the DC I'd be starting on Disc 2 as I catch the bus to Warehouse #8.

It's weird, I'm enjoying this more than I did back in 2001. Maybe that'll change when I'm racing forklifts.
Honestly I loved the forklifts!
It wasn't that I hated them back in 2001, it's that I was actually a full time forklift operator so when Ryo got that job my eyes rolled followed by a groan.

This made me lol, that indeed would have been shit!

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