PS5 thread

[lestat]

Keen for both next gen consoles but not $1000 plus keen. Thinking a new GPU upgrade is the way to go :/

GPUs from AMD/Nvidia will be available in September apparently, so you can make an informed decision before these systems launch.

Nvidia is rumored to be launching 7nm chips(3080/3090) in the 600-700m2 range, these consoles are 350mm2 roughly with a ryzen cpu inclusive.

So GPU power on PC still going to have a massive upper hand, especially if you're a 1440p gamer. A lot of performance/power is being wasted here targeting 4k on these new boxes.

Not enough games/exclusives come out imo to justify the ticket prices on these systems, if you intend to play all your 3rd party stuff on them for years to come, you'll get value out of it. The worst part is what was shown still had sub 30fps frame drops, seems like nothing is going to change on that front.

[lestat]

It also looks like the GPU in PS5 is some sort of hybrid of RDNA 1/2,

This from DF.

"While the jury is still out in the absence of higher quality assets, what we've seen so far across the board shows little to no evidence of the use of variable rate shading - a technique Microsoft is championing as a key efficiency driver in next-gen rendering."

Epic confirmed PS5 only supports primitive shading, so the GPU lacks Mesh Shading which is in Turing and RDNA2 cards. So it looks like PS5 is a 5700 overclocked and just Ray Tracing supported tacked on, the hardware feature set matches the 5700 exactly.

[Rorschach]

On the face of it, $1000 isn't a horrible price. I am used to paying higher prices for hardware. However I'll probably hold off until the Pro variants start dropping. Looks like MS and Sony are into mid-generation refreshes of hardware now.

[unfnknblvbl]

This gen is going to be awful and interesting at the same time. Having to manage storage, and dealing with digital licensing is going to suck balls.

On the other hand, having guarantee high speed access on what is essentially a PC is going to be amazing. Even if these games come to PC, developers can't rely on users having a PCIe4 NVMe drive to run their games from.

I'm still in the "bring back cartridges" camp, though.

[lestat]

Developers can rely on PC users having a lot more memory, right now I find many games don't push memory usage at all on PC. To circumvent the slower storage, they could use more memory and create ramdrives.

Besides right now I run open world games with 4k ultra textures and details without issues from HDD, my load times on PC have always been significantly faster than console even with a regular 7200rpm hdd. I think that comes down to faster CPUs and less memory contention, ie you can just load all textures in memory once on PC, consoles need swap out textures/assets more because there just isn't enough memory.

16GB for the next 5-7 years isn't a lot honestly. Your standard gaming PC has 16GB minimum these days and 32-64GB is common and cheap these days, I expect the next round of video cards to start having 16GB of vram alone.

[Mavy]

I always find it hard to justify going back to PC gaming. I don't want to sit at a desk and play on a small screen anymore.

Even hooking the PC up to the TV still isn't a great experience. Consoles make gaming way more accessible and even if performance isn't always the best it's at least consistent.

Those few console exclusives are still what keeps me anchored to them. Though if that no longer exists with Xbox going forward it's both harder to justify and easier to make the transition.

[t0mby]

The lack of exclusives from MS hurts, but on the upside for me, because I skipped this gen I'd have a few to fall back on via BC such as MCC, Quantum Break, Gears 5, Ori, etc etc plus they'll be cheap as chips second hand. There's benefits for either machine for myself. PS5 will support the VR which I have and I have a lot of games tied to it, but then I also have around 200 digital titles from the 360 plus any BC games. Just waiting on prices and who is going to support Dolby Atmos.

[lestat]

Xbox already supports Atmos t0mby and gamepass gives you instant access to all that stuff. You don't need to buy anything really.

This is where I think if these consoles end up being pricey, things like gamepass starts making a much more compelling case on what system you chose.

MS had a lot of first party problems this gen, many projects were cancelled and they outsourced a lot which led to quality issues. They've spent the last 2 years rebuilding/purchasing and bringing all that inhouse now, so I expect to see better results this time around.

[t0mby]

I know the Bone supports Atmos through an app but I've also heard of problems with the app through Home Theatre groups on Facebook. Waiting for an official word on supported audio formats. For the PS5 I imagine Sony tightening their purse strings in favour of their own 3D audio format.

Not going to cut holes in my ceiling until I have a UHD device with Atmos support but I don't want to spend $600 on a standalone player on top of a console price.

[flipswitch]

So you’re going to be installing the speakers in your ceiling? I would personally get someone who specialises in doing these things. .

You’re basing your next-gen purchase by which console supports atmos?

How many games on Xbone support atmos, I thought it was just a few like the EA games.

[Peppermint Lounge]

I always find it hard to justify going back to PC gaming. I don't want to sit at a desk and play on a small screen anymore.

I would recommend paying extra for a good monitor arm so you can place your display head high & right above your keyboard. Between that and an adjustable FOV setting (console FOV is always locked very low to save on performance) it's as much display as you'd need.

Different strokes though. I do 98% of my gaming after the kids are down. PC and headphones the best option for those conditions. For the odd time I do want to play a racer on the big screen, Steamlink works well.

[t0mby]

So you’re going to be installing the speakers in your ceiling? I would personally get someone who specialises in doing these things. .

I specialise in doing these things. I've run network cables under the house, set up my home theatre, built decks and pergolas, installed a heat transfer pump, insulated the ceiling, rebuilt suspension on my Clubsport.... I'm a jack of all trades.

You’re basing your next-gen purchase by which console supports atmos?

How many games on Xbone support atmos, I thought it was just a few like the EA games.

I watch movies on Blu ray, some of which have Atmos, and most UHD movies have Atmos now as well as Netflix. I have an Atmos amp but don't have a UHD player though so not currently using Atmos, just 5.1, but would be 5.1.2 if I had the player. I just don't want to have a separate UHD player and a console.

[flipswitch]

That’s great, must’ve saved yourself some $$$. I would never attempt all those things you’ve done!


I have a PS4 Pro, and a stand alone UHD player, but my entertainment unit only has two shelves - one for the console and the other for my AVR, so I had to place my UHD player on my sub, so it’s hidden away somewhat in the corner.

I will continue to use my stand alone UHD player next gen, I will just take out the PS4 Pro and put the new console there.

[lestat]

I always find it hard to justify going back to PC gaming. I don't want to sit at a desk and play on a small screen anymore.

I would recommend paying extra for a good monitor arm so you can place your display head high & right above your keyboard. Between that and an adjustable FOV setting (console FOV is always locked very low to save on performance) it's as much display as you'd need.

Different strokes though. I do 98% of my gaming after the kids are down. PC and headphones the best option for those conditions. For the odd time I do want to play a racer on the big screen, Steamlink works well.

I have a 82" 4k TV, Atmos setup but I still find my 32" Monitor with Headphones to be more immersive. On a PC you sit at an optimal distance where your whole FOV is filled with screen, headphones with HRTF positional audio allows me to pinpoint sounds better than a 5.1.2 setup. With a monitor I always find I can spot and track objects much better, aiming with a mouse is so much easier.

In a lounge room it can be hard to get that optimal setup, then there are the ergonomics side where I find I can game for a good 6-8 hrs on a PC, in the lounge I seem to get tired and sleepy after 1-2 hours, my couch is more for lazing around and not the most supportive for my back holding something in front of me.

Also there are some nice conveniences with PC gaming, sometimes if you get absolutely stuck in a game, it's really easy to alt tab into a browser window and look for the solution. You can multitask, working from home these days it's kinda convenient if you know what I mean.

[t0mby]

That’s great, must’ve saved yourself some $$$. I would never attempt all those things you’ve done!

YouTube is your friend. I followed council guidelines for any building/additions and watched videos from Bunnings and Mitre 10. Probably saved myself around $10k-20k from hiring builders. Mechanics though, I used to be a mechanics pre PSone days but just use Chrisfix YouTube channel for anything I'm not sure about. Networking was a bit easier, cat5 from one end to the other, heaps of short cables from old routers and some switches in a couple of rooms.

Everyone is out to make money these days so you need to try and cut costs where you can.

[Mavy]

I always find it hard to justify going back to PC gaming. I don't want to sit at a desk and play on a small screen anymore.

I would recommend paying extra for a good monitor arm so you can place your display head high & right above your keyboard. Between that and an adjustable FOV setting (console FOV is always locked very low to save on performance) it's as much display as you'd need.

Different strokes though. I do 98% of my gaming after the kids are down. PC and headphones the best option for those conditions. For the odd time I do want to play a racer on the big screen, Steamlink works well.

I have a 82" 4k TV, Atmos setup but I still find my 32" Monitor with Headphones to be more immersive. On a PC you sit at an optimal distance where your whole FOV is filled with screen, headphones with HRTF positional audio allows me to pinpoint sounds better than a 5.1.2 setup. With a monitor I always find I can spot and track objects much better, aiming with a mouse is so much easier.

In a lounge room it can be hard to get that optimal setup, then there are the ergonomics side where I find I can game for a good 6-8 hrs on a PC, in the lounge I seem to get tired and sleepy after 1-2 hours, my couch is more for lazing around and not the most supportive for my back holding something in front of me.

Also there are some nice conveniences with PC gaming, sometimes if you get absolutely stuck in a game, it's really easy to alt tab into a browser window and look for the solution. You can multitask, working from home these days it's kinda convenient if you know what I mean.

I'm not a competitive gamer, never played a single player game that would require you to hear things coming at you.

Definitely need a better monitor though. Doesn't compare to my 85" TV in terms of picture quality.

The only thing that attracts me to PC gaming is the tech. Though where a game is available on both console and PC I never see why I would go to all the extra effort to play on PC.

I should give it a go at some point

[Peppermint Lounge]

Get a 144hz monitor and enjoy the slap-in-the-face upgrade high FPS provides. Then you'll know why people prefer PC over consoles. It's the most evident upgrade you'll have experienced in years. High FPS is why PC gamers bang on about framerate and why 30fps is so unacceptable.

[Mavy]

Just played a bit of doom on PC with the controller. So much better. Can't be f'd with KBAM.

[t0mby]

Jelly of lestat, wish I could play games 6-8hrs a day, lucky if I get 6-8hrs a week.

[Mavy]

Better reveal than PS5.

I actually wondered if Sony would counter with a cylindrical tower. Would have been more impressive i think.

[lestat]

Get a 144hz monitor and enjoy the slap-in-the-face upgrade high FPS provides. Then you'll know why people prefer PC over consoles. It's the most evident upgrade you'll have experienced in years. High FPS is why PC gamers bang on about framerate and why 30fps is so unacceptable.

These new consoles have hdmi 2.1 VRR support, which allows 4k HDR @120hz with VRR. It will be interesting to see how many games embrace high FPS, the only problem will be to enjoy it you'll need to buy a whole new TV, having not long ago dropped a lot of cash on a 4k HDR tv, I don't feel like doing it again. This will be the problem, a lot of people only have hdmi 2.0 4k HDR TVs which are limited to 60hz.

[Candy Arse]

Even hooking the PC up to the TV still isn't a great experience.

This is something that surprises me given how well it can really work. I run an HDMI cable from the PC through the wall out to the TV. XBONE controller + PC dongle and it's as good as gaming gets.

Forza Horizon 4 maxed out at 4K in HDR, 60fps. Bliss.

[t0mby]

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[lestat]

Even hooking the PC up to the TV still isn't a great experience.

This is something that surprises me given how well it can really work. I run an HDMI cable from the PC through the wall out to the TV. XBONE controller + PC dongle and it's as good as gaming gets.

Forza Horizon 4 maxed out at 4K in HDR, 60fps. Bliss.

It's awesome once you're in game, I think people complain about the fact there is still a windows user interface to deal with and it's not controller friendly.

Personally I have a HTPC I use in my living room, it runs beautifully through hdmi 4k hdr, all works great but you need a wireless keyboard to drive it, I use a logitech k400 wireless keyboard/touchpad and that works great for driving the pc from the couch on your lap, once in game or steam big picture I transition to the xbox controller.

[unfnknblvbl]

Get a 144hz monitor and enjoy the slap-in-the-face upgrade high FPS provides. Then you'll know why people prefer PC over consoles. It's the most evident upgrade you'll have experienced in years. High FPS is why PC gamers bang on about framerate and why 30fps is so unacceptable.

You know what really shits me? "Professional" monitors aren't high refresh rate.
Despite having what is ostensibly a gaming rig, I do hardly any gaming on it. The vast, vast majority of what I do with my PC is actual work; be it WFH stuff, audio recording, or music composition. Then there's all the pissfarting around on the internet.
So I bought a Dell 3008WFP ten years ago to suit that use scenario. It was a great monitor, and it still is. Fantastic viewing angles, and great picture quality. But it's ten years old.
So I go to buy another "professional" 30" screen a couple of months back, since I could use a bump to 4K resolution... and... nope. They're all 60Hz still, unless you want to compromise on the image quality and get VA or TN panels. Even on the most expensive Dell 32" monitor with all the bells and whistles.

It's ridiculous. I guess I'll just wait a few more years.