No monthly fees for PSU (360, PS2+PC owners pay up)

Scullibundo · Post by **Scullibundo** » 12 Sep 2006 10:18 am

Yep, they just lost any chance of me buying it. Good job SEGA.

lestat · Post by **lestat** » 12 Sep 2006 10:35 am

Yep I'm out, not paying a monthly fee. Especially with so many other great games coming out end of the year.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » 12 Sep 2006 11:04 am

Arthas · Post by **Arthas** » 12 Sep 2006 12:23 pm

It's sega's game, I dont see why you would think you wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee to play on REAL servers owned by another company.

Remember, you may pay for xbox msnlive matchmaking service but just because you pay a stupid amount for it don't think you're entitled to any real serv(ice)ers. Sometimes you just gotta pay if you want that horse armor, knowwhadimsayin

In MS's defence they do need to make up for losses on thier console's sold so I understand why they charge for xbox live.

Talez · Post by **Talez** » 12 Sep 2006 12:37 pm

I'm paying whatever they want because I'm a crack addict.

Seraph · Post by **Seraph** » 12 Sep 2006 12:49 pm

I'll pay it if they run real servers instead of matchmaking, crack down on cheaters and griefers, and allow for PC and PS2 to be linked in all regions with each other.

I'll most likely buy the game anyways, since it has a 40-hour or whatever long offline "story mode", but after seeing how PSO was looked after from DC to BB, I'm not holding out much hope.

lestat · Post by **lestat** » 12 Sep 2006 01:09 pm

Yep Arthus because I pay a subscription for live, i don't feel like paying another toll to play online.

Like seraph mentioned too, from my memory of pso, it was largely peer to peer, you just were on a server in the cities. Kinda guild wars like. Guild wars is free, psu should be free too imo.

Seraph since the 360 has yet to be hacked/cracked the chances of cheating are greatly reduced. On pc/ps2 since those platforms are open to hacking it may suffer the same issues as pso's in the past.

Seraph · Post by **Seraph** » 12 Sep 2006 01:20 pm

Incorrect. As I mentioned on page 1, the most powerful hacking and griefing tools used for PSO were PC ultitilities and programs designed to set up proxy masks and perform packet editing. The Xbox 360 is just as susceptible as the DC, PC or GC have been in the past.

lestat · Post by **lestat** » 12 Sep 2006 01:34 pm

Games on live use encryption on the packets. You just can't snoop packets and inject data into them. There is no way to know what the keys are being used in the encryption, especially when the system itself is still locked down. There are also session tokens, keys that are used. I'm not sure of the exact details but it has yet to be broken.

Seraph · Post by **Seraph** » 12 Sep 2006 02:11 pm

Whether it's been broken yet isn't really of any significance, ultimately. Peer-to-peer is inherently vulnerable. Whether the hole is via unsigned code being run through a modded machine, cracking the packet encryption, an "Action Replay" like device, or some other way, there are just so many ways in which the system can be exploited.

The best protection from cheating and griefing is with dedicated servers doing the work. When the server saves the character data, client-side editing does nothing. When the server makes the decisions, the client can't alter them. When the server decides what data goes to each client, the client can't modify their end to cause grief for the other clients.

Sega's track record on peer-to-peer on Xbox, GC, DC and PC so far has been terrible, and for me, only a move away from peer-to-peer and into server-based connections will have enough inherent security to deter cheats and make the game enjoyable.

lestat · Post by **lestat** » 12 Sep 2006 02:40 pm

I understand your concern and ms have the same concern too with respect to the live system. That's why they've included encryption and all sorts of checks/authentication in place to stop hacking. As long as the 360 machine doesn't get hacked(DVD hack doesn't count because the hack doesn't allow unsigned code to run and has no access to the 360 os/system) cheating and hacking should be next to non exsistant.

So far on 360 live i haven't come across any cheaters, except for halo2, but that's only due to the fact the original xbox was hacked. So as long as the 360 can't run unsigned code, 360 games are largely safe from hackers. Also that's another reason why action replay for 360 will never exsist.

Pointy Cat · Post by **Pointy Cat** » 12 Sep 2006 03:07 pm

PSU is far more server based than PSO was.

Candy Arse · Post by **Candy Arse** » 12 Sep 2006 10:02 pm

Talez wrote:I'm paying whatever they want because I'm a crack addict.

Me too. I can't say no to this game.