21:15 - they address Abbott's comments re: the nazis.
Weisser schools these fucking libtards. Soft headed Islam apologists. I can't believe that blonde haired broad. Treacherous bitch. And don't get me started on that bald cunt!
As much as these people feign indignation at the prospect of Abbott apparently diminishing the enormity of Hitlers atrocities, these strike me as people who would have a laundry list of complaints about Israel. Heck, if you gave them enough drinks I'm sure they'd unload a conspiracy theory or two about how 'Murdoch and the jews run the media' all the while, playing violins for Palestine and how the only reason muslim people are awful is because we bombed them too much, or didn't bomb them enough, or didn't bomb the right ones.
Seriously though, if you watch this whole episode of The Drum, it's champaigne ABC. Start with an image of a dead baby and then ramp right up to suggesting that the 1,000,000 African and middle eastern immigrants to be received by Germany simply isn't enough! And they even say 'Thank goodness Europe hasn't followed our lead on how to deal with refugees!'. However, I think the cake was definitely taken when Blondilocks Ahmadinnejad expressed distaste at using this issue as a 'political football'. From someone who suggested that a dead baby was the reason we need more muslims, it's little pot and kettle if you know what I mean.
These people will be on the wrong side of history you know. One day someone will say, Europe used to be a nice place you know... and no-one will believe them.
I caught this show, unfortunately. The Drum is forty nine times out of fifty shit house. You're drunk if you think Rebecca Weisser did a decent job of defending the indefensible on Abbott and his dumb Nazi comments. Jonathan Green overcooked it but all he did was trot out another propaganda definition which was right. I'm sure ISIS would be satisfied to hear a country's prime minister respond to their barbarity by elevating them above the Nazis.
The drowned toddler images that hit up front pages yesterday broke my heart, btw. Such images used to carry warnings. Bolt's blog today features images of ISIS prisoners being burned alive, again without warning.
Peppermint Lounge wrote:What Abbott said is so historically wrong it may as well be a post in this thread. The Nazis didn't hide their atrocities because they were ashamed of them, they did so to avoid being criminally responsible. It's not a big ask to have a prime minister be historically accurate when making WW2 comparisons.
Fuck, how dense are you. Did you not just say what evil Abbott did?
Seriously? To be ashamed is to feel guilty or embarrassed. That high ranking Nazis implemented a state-sponsored policy of genocide secretly doesn't mean they were ashamed of it or didn't believe in its outcome.
I think the religious zeal which encourages muslims to wear their bigotry on their sleeve really does separate them from your garden variety nationalist socialist.
Abbott made a good point, lost on the Islamic foils of the left.
Peppermint Lounge wrote:Seriously? To be ashamed is to feel guilty or embarrassed. That high ranking Nazis implemented a state-sponsored policy of genocide secretly doesn't mean they were ashamed of it or didn't believe in its outcome.
Yeah seriously, you just said in a slightly different way what you are outraged about the PM saying. Well done.
Is anyone still outraged when Abbott says something dumb? Only his staunchest damage controllers would defend this indefensible comparison so credit to you for being so loyal.
Cletus wrote:I started watching the Drum but I might have to opt out. I'm pretty rock solid in the belief that any person who can make it to this country AND has a legitimate claim for refugee status should absolutely be taken in regardless of religion or numbers. I get the necessity for refugee camps as a temporary arrangement while people are processed but I absolutely don't agree with boats being repelled. Assimilation might be nice but it can't be demanded. It happens over several generations. But my understanding is that it does happen. No matter how the argument is framed I strongly believe that any country not at war (or in famine) should take in those that are fleeing war. It's up to those countries to preserve their own culture but in doing so that culture usually expands and changes because it has to anyway. The other side to that is we aren't landlocked. It's not so easy for mass migrations to impact our society so I recognise the whole "that's easy for you to say", kind of thing.
There, I'll get off my soap box.
Assimilation doesn't always happen if the rulers of the day actively encourage everyone to live in their separate cultures under one state. In Europe at the moment it's what 90% migrates trying to force their way in since Greece and Italy opened their borders are not from non war countries they are simply country shopping hoping to get into a rich EU country by force and score the welfare. Nearly all of them are from a completely different culture which we know have a history of refusing to integrate at the same time they are pushing through countries that share their culture to get to the cashed up ones.
Assimilation is the new people living by the existing cultural standards, it's not changing that culture or expanding it to change your way of life to accomodate the imported culture. When a countries culture is purposely eroded from the inside, things like beheadings at IKEA's in Sweden start becoming something we accept instead of being horrified by. The response by IKEA and the apathetic Swedish media says a lot about how far Swedish culture has been eroded and changed to their own detriment (police, firebrigades not wearing uniforms, being attacked etc etc). The sheer size of the migration of people at the moment makes assimilation highly unlikely in this instance.
Peppermint Lounge wrote:Is anyone still outraged when Abbott says something dumb? Only his staunchest damage controllers would defend this indefensible comparison so credit to you for being so loyal.
But that's the point, it wasn't dumb it was just stating the friggin obvious like you did in your own sentence before. The Nazi's were worried about criminal charges, they knew it was wrong. ISIS fucking turfing gay dudes off roofs, hooking up 8 guys in a row and blowing their heads off with explosives one by one, drowning people in cages etc they love it and are proud of it.
Hercy wrote:"“The Nazis did terrible evil but they had sufficient sense of shame to try and hide it. These people boast about their evil. This is the extraordinary thing.
“They act in the way medieval barbarians acted only they broadcast it to the world with an affrontery that is hard to credit and it just adds a further dimension to this evil.”
The first sentence is comparing one thing to another when he says "...did terrible evil but..." "...these people boast...".
And in case you still think there's ambiguity, he cleared it up later:
"Unlike previous people Stalin or Hilter or whoever that tried to cover up their evil, this wretched death cult boasts about it"
"Unlike" is a term used to compare things.
Just because he thinks ISIS are worse than the Nazis in one aspect does not mean he thinks they are more evil.
Peppermint Lounge wrote:Is anyone still outraged when Abbott says something dumb? Only his staunchest damage controllers would defend this indefensible comparison so credit to you for being so loyal.
But that's the point, it wasn't dumb it was just stating the friggin obvious like you did in your own sentence before. The Nazi's were worried about criminal charges, they knew it was wrong. ISIS fucking turfing gay dudes off roofs, hooking up 8 guys in a row and blowing their heads off with explosives one by one, drowning people in cages etc they love it and are proud of it.
Exactly. I can't believe we even have to argue this. Julia copped nothing like this and everyone was apparently just being sexist.
Froggy wrote:The Nazi's were worried about criminal charges, they knew it was wrong.
Yeah but not because they 'had sufficient sense of shame', which is what Abbott wrongly said when he chose to cite Nazis vs ISIS. Madmya is right, it shouldn't even be argued. There's so much material about Nazi Germany and how unashamed they were no person could be in any doubt. Queue Froggy telling me again I'm just repeating what Abbott said. If Abbott supporters want to brush his dumb comment aside that's ok but don't get upset because others pick him up.
There's a difference between the divinely endorsed frenzy of the muslims and Nationailstic motives of the Nazis, and you're failing to refute that.
The father of the child who washed up on the beach had himself and his family been safe in Turkey for 3 years, before he decided to risk the trip to europe with plans of crossing multiple countries and going to Germany, presumably for prosperity.
Now, instead of decrying this man for risking his families lives, and losing his son in the process all for the goal of defrauding the immigration process, people are saying that this is justification for loosening controls and openin borders and encouraging more to do the same? And the people who say this claim that they are the morally superior? That anyone who doesn't agree is immoral?
Froggy wrote:The Nazi's were worried about criminal charges, they knew it was wrong.
Yeah but not because they 'had sufficient sense of shame', which is what Abbott wrongly said when he chose to cite Nazis vs ISIS. Madmya is right, it shouldn't even be argued. There's so much material about Nazi Germany and how unashamed they were no person could be in any doubt. Queue Froggy telling me again I'm just repeating what Abbott said. If Abbott supporters want to brush his dumb comment aside that's ok but don't get upset because others pick him up.
Madmya doesn't agree with you and you did make the same point Abbott did. You are not even arguing what Abbott said here but keep on irrationally hating.
Froggy wrote:The Nazi's were worried about criminal charges, they knew it was wrong.
Yeah but not because they 'had sufficient sense of shame', which is what Abbott wrongly said when he chose to cite Nazis vs ISIS. Madmya is right, it shouldn't even be argued. There's so much material about Nazi Germany and how unashamed they were no person could be in any doubt. Queue Froggy telling me again I'm just repeating what Abbott said. If Abbott supporters want to brush his dumb comment aside that's ok but don't get upset because others pick him up.
Acknowledging what they were doing is wrong versus a sense of remorse.
To me that's just semantics but that's not the issue anyway. The issue is that Fairfax thinks Tony believes ISIS are worse which has never been said. Who would actually want to engage in that discussion publicly?
Fucking news.com.au then runs this headline: Prime Minister Tony Abbott describes Islamic State as being ‘worse than the Nazis’
Which is just misleading. Even the Jewish community quoted in that same article, though not liking the comparison, understood it better:
“Whilst there is no question that Islamic State is a profoundly evil organisation, the Prime Minister’s comments suggesting that it is in some respects worse than the Nazis were injudicious and unfortunate,” Robert Goot, President of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, told News Corp Australia.
Some respects, not "is worse than". Irrational is the best way to describe this.
Hercy wrote:You've missed the point about Abbott's remarks about Nazis. He said that ISIS are worse than the Nazis because ISIS broadcasts its atrocities whereas the Nazis tried to hide them. Abbott attributes this to the Nazis being ashamed of their actions, therefore the Nazis had some conscience. It's an utterly bizarre argument.
I think you're right, this is pretty much the whole point. Not wanting to be caught and not caring who sees what you do probably carries different weight in their perceived level of threat. If the remark is made based on conscience it is an utterly bizarre argument. If it's based on the idea that if a group goes to some lengths to hide their behaviour then that would somewhat restrict their actions whereas if a group driven by faith are proud of their actions and wilfully broadcast their atrocities then what restricts them if their faith doesn't seem to? But the Nazis will always make a more chilling representation of evil because they were a machine. A clandestine satanic machine. Isis are faith driven warriors based anywhere they can recruit from, drawing battle lines wherever they can against whoever they see a need to. Nazi evil is so bizarre it will always spawn fiction. ISIS kind of evil is generally gory B action movie bad...they're actually like a cliché of a villain. I doubt ISIS can pull anything like the Nazis. Maybe they'll have a higher death toll attributed to them. History won't forget the Nazis. But it will forget ISIL. Abbott was a bit silly to mention them in the same room.
The Nazis will forever represent the darkness of the human soul and Isis currently represent religious madmen.
Refugees do not want to go to Romania. "Romania is a poor country, it doesn't have money". Several thousands refugees start walking on foot towards Germany.
After European leaders proposed that the countries affected by war refugees be distributed to all EU immigrants who are in Budapest Keleti railway station refuses to consider alternative application for political asylum in Romania. They say they will not go to a country that has nothing to offer them.
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The migrants in Greece rioted, apparently because they were 'bored'
Spain: Illegals riot and attack elderly in the streets.
The thing to remember about these people is that they think they own the world, they think god is endorsing their actions.
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