Candy Arse wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021 02:45 pmIt's more that my opposition boils down to "If your vax only works when I take it, your vax probably doesn't work".
Vaccination has always been an act of altruism. It has individual benefits but for a community to achieve the strongest possible immunity you need around 95% vaccinated. This has always underpinned community vaccination including vaccines you've said you're ok with. Why is it bothering you so much in this instance?
Once we have vaccines available that are legitimately shown to significantly reduce transmission (these ones do not), I will very much consider my options.
These vaccines are legitimately showing they significantly reduce transmission. The Vic and NSW numbers speak for themselves. REFF (effective reproduction) consistently <1 as vaccination rates increase. We're open, hospitalisations rates are declining.
The fact is right now if I get one of these vaccines, I can still catch and transmit covid.
You can still catch and transmit diseases after being vaccinated with vaccines you've said you're ok with. As we've already touched on vaccines that provide sterilising immunity are rare. Most vaccines can only prevent serious infection at best. This is still invaluable in limiting pathogen spread. The exact scenarios that come from vaccines you've indicated approval for apply to COVID vaccines.
Clearly I won't be dying from it. So taking into account this isn't a virus that will hurt me, and I can still "hurt" others despite being vaccinated...why am I getting it again?
You're a healthy guy. Healthy people get vaccinated to protect those who aren't blessed with your health due to either permanent or temporary circumstances. Refer point 1 altruism. I choose to get my healthy kids vaccinated before sending them into child care environments vs pushing back on government mandates and telling others to keep their kids under the doona if they'd rather not mix with mine (the latter scenario n/a as my kids wouldn't be allowed to attend).
And yeah I do also have a major problem with this thing where it's my body I don't need the government taking ownership of it.
There it is. This is the reason. I can respect this. There's still the contradiction between your view on the COVID vaccine vs your approval for other madated vaccines and settings though.
Once again I will bring up that covid is not ebola, it would be wonderful if we stopped treating it as such.
It touched you lightly and that's great. For many others it hasn't. You've indicated respect for health workers. Some pushed themselves well outside their comfort zones to front cameras and lay it all out. I work for one big health agency but meet and share work with other major agencies. The load this has put on staff and hospitals is immense.
Even then, that is far from the big issue now anyway. The big issue at present is this insane "Pandemic Legislation" that Comrade Dan is trying to get through Parliament as quickly as possible.
No qualm with people demonstrating against legislation in the process of being voted on. The change to tranferring power from CHO to Premier and Health Minister brings Vic into line with other jurisdictions including NSW and NZ. Where it differs is on oversight with Vic proposing oversight by an internally appointed board of independent health professionals vs NSW having parliamentary oversight. Totally fine with the idea of pushing for parliamentary oversight.