Dunno, ask Japan or Norway......Ambrose Burnside wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021 09:36 am
If proportions of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in hospital have changed in the first two weeks of November, it's probably related to the fact that the fully vaccinated rate is over 90% (over 94% single dose). What do the figures look like in less vaccinated parts of the world? I daresay they'll look more like NSW's June-October figures.
selfish wrote:Being a massive fanboy and trying to hide it is Lestat's worst bottleneck.
Vaccination has always been an act of altruism. It has individual benefits but for a community to achieve the strongest possible immunity you need around 95% vaccinated. This has always underpinned community vaccination including vaccines you've said you're ok with. Why is it bothering you so much in this instance?Candy Arse wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021 02:45 pmIt's more that my opposition boils down to "If your vax only works when I take it, your vax probably doesn't work".
These vaccines are legitimately showing they significantly reduce transmission. The Vic and NSW numbers speak for themselves. REFF (effective reproduction) consistently <1 as vaccination rates increase. We're open, hospitalisations rates are declining.Once we have vaccines available that are legitimately shown to significantly reduce transmission (these ones do not), I will very much consider my options.
You can still catch and transmit diseases after being vaccinated with vaccines you've said you're ok with. As we've already touched on vaccines that provide sterilising immunity are rare. Most vaccines can only prevent serious infection at best. This is still invaluable in limiting pathogen spread. The exact scenarios that come from vaccines you've indicated approval for apply to COVID vaccines.The fact is right now if I get one of these vaccines, I can still catch and transmit covid.
You're a healthy guy. Healthy people get vaccinated to protect those who aren't blessed with your health due to either permanent or temporary circumstances. Refer point 1 altruism. I choose to get my healthy kids vaccinated before sending them into child care environments vs pushing back on government mandates and telling others to keep their kids under the doona if they'd rather not mix with mine (the latter scenario n/a as my kids wouldn't be allowed to attend).Clearly I won't be dying from it. So taking into account this isn't a virus that will hurt me, and I can still "hurt" others despite being vaccinated...why am I getting it again?
There it is. This is the reason. I can respect this. There's still the contradiction between your view on the COVID vaccine vs your approval for other madated vaccines and settings though.And yeah I do also have a major problem with this thing where it's my body I don't need the government taking ownership of it.
It touched you lightly and that's great. For many others it hasn't. You've indicated respect for health workers. Some pushed themselves well outside their comfort zones to front cameras and lay it all out. I work for one big health agency but meet and share work with other major agencies. The load this has put on staff and hospitals is immense.Once again I will bring up that covid is not ebola, it would be wonderful if we stopped treating it as such.
No qualm with people demonstrating against legislation in the process of being voted on. The change to tranferring power from CHO to Premier and Health Minister brings Vic into line with other jurisdictions including NSW and NZ. Where it differs is on oversight with Vic proposing oversight by an internally appointed board of independent health professionals vs NSW having parliamentary oversight. Totally fine with the idea of pushing for parliamentary oversight.Even then, that is far from the big issue now anyway. The big issue at present is this insane "Pandemic Legislation" that Comrade Dan is trying to get through Parliament as quickly as possible.
I like you tomby but fuck you post some shit.t0mby wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021 06:32 pmNSW released a statement earlier in the week, can't remember if I mentioned it, that the tally for the day was something like 400 odd new cases of Covid, 130 administered to hospital and 48 in ICU. One person, ONE PERSON, was not fully vaccinated, they had a single dose. Everyone else was double vax'd. There is zero reason to get this so called vaccine atm especially now mainstream media has finally said that the WHO has admitted to pumping up the numbers of Covid deaths. Got Covid and die in a car crash? Died of Covid. Got Covid and got shot? Died of Covid. This is what "Conspiracy Theorists" have been saying for a year and now nearly everything predicted has all come out. Forced vaccines, Vax passports, fudged numbers high count of adverse reactions and deaths from the jab. The whole rollout is a fucken joke and the sheep are lapping it up because they're promised some "freedom". Freedom for good behaviour is what prisoners get.
Where did you pluck those NSW number from. They've not had daily 400 infections for yonks. And of your so-called 130 hospital admissions 129 were fully vaccinated? Trolol. And how is the WHO logging into hospital clinical apps to pump up COVID deaths again? Once again we have people simultaneously praising health workers while accusing them of conspiring to rewrite patient histories and causes of death. It can't happen. Someone presents as a trauma patient, the history starts there. Clinical systems leave audit trails and any amendments are logged. I would literally need to be in on this if it were happening. What he meant to say was all were unvaccinated bar one who was partially vaccinated. He corrected himself during the same presser.A Facebook post featuring a slip-up by an Australia health official at a press conference has been used to claim that COVID-19 vaccines are “literally useless” in preventing people from being hospitalised.
The post by an Australian page includes a link to a video clip of NSW Health’s Jeremy McAnulty providing COVID-19 statistics for July 25, including a breakdown of the number of new cases for the previous 24 hours.
In the clip, Dr McAnulty announces that 141 people are in hospital with COVID-19 and 43 of those in intensive care. He goes on to provide a breakdown of the patients’ ages before saying: “All but one are vaccinated. One person had just received one dose of vaccine” (video mark 40sec).
I'm just angry atm, got a lot ony plate. Had a breakdown a few weeks back and was given a few days off work under "Covid Stress Leave" which doesn't use your sick days. I know of a video where a guy made a mistake a few months back bit this one was doing the rounds this week and was a different guy to last time. I couldn't find the source as the video was posted on Telegram but here's a screenshot. His words were "All but one were fully vaccinated, that one person had a single dose of vaccine". I don't know if it's the same guy you're mentioning.Peppermint Lounge wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021 03:00 pm ]
I like you tomby but fuck you post some shit.
selfish wrote:Being a massive fanboy and trying to hide it is Lestat's worst bottleneck.
