Up the Mighty Liberals! #inmalcolmwetrust

[Madmya]

Wanting to stop someone from getting married when you're allowed to probably does though.

No, it doesn't. I know this is impossible for you to comprehend.

What does it make them? Merely someone with a different opinion whose opinion should be respected even though they're literally saying "you cannot get married because you're gay but FYI I'm the objective one here"?

You're right, it is impossible for me to comprehend cos it makes no sense. Well, I can comprehend it in the sense that there will always people who will vote no for something like this, just like there were people who voted no on the referendum that let us count Aboriginals as people. But I'm not sure that it makes them anything other than bigoted homophobes.

Do enlighten me.

lestat is the perfect example. I don't know if he actually voted no, I personally don't care, but if he did I wouldn't believe he's a bigot for a second.

People have all sorts of beliefs. Some will feel they will go to hell if they vote yes, they may be crazy but that does not make them a bigot. Other people simply won't consider feelings in this at all, they won't value a homosexual's feelings of being excluded as relevant. In fact, going by GCF's definition of a bigot, your intolerance of those who vote no makes you technically a bigot.

I'm all for majority rules.

[Ambrose Burnside]

Well I think a liberal democracy should always be intolerant towards intolerance otherwise it doesn't work, and denying SSM is pretty intolerant. References to smelly hippy rent a mob protestors bullying people in 3, 2, 1...

I do see what you mean though. Which is why this should have been decided in Parliament rather than people you concede are crazy being given equal footing with everyone else. A personal belief in hell shouldn't be able to impact on someone else's desire to marry.

Ya'll lucky you're not old

[lestat]

Wanting to stop someone from getting married when you're allowed to probably does though. While using arguments like "I've been happily married for 15 years but my brother is going through a bad divorce".

They're welcome to say their vows in front of God like I did and have an orthodox priest ordain the marriage, oh wait, that's not up to me.

My brother did it differently, but he didn't want kids, just went to a registry, his resolve was different.

[GeneraL CyberFunK]

lestat is the perfect example. I don't know if he actually voted no, I personally don't care, but if he did I wouldn't believe he's a bigot for a second.

People have all sorts of beliefs. Some will feel they will go to hell if they vote yes, they may be crazy but that does not make them a bigot. Other people simply won't consider feelings in this at all, they won't value a homosexual's feelings of being excluded as relevant. In fact, going by GCF's definition of a bigot, your intolerance of those who vote no makes you technically a bigot.

I'm all for majority rules.

Voting no and effectively denying someone the same rights as you - even though you know it doesn't affect you and you simply don't care.. hmm does that make you a mean spirited or just a cunt. Tough call.

People can indeed have all sorts of beliefs.. but when their beliefs impact on other people and those beliefs oppress others.. even though there is no rational reason other than fear? That pretty much fits in with being homophobic.

The issue with the word bigot is that people can think that it is reciprocal.. but hey.. guess what.. eventually common sense and often the law has to step in and break that cycle.

The very notion that someone would exclude a gay person's feelings of inequality and yet cry foul that their right to deny someone else their rights is being criticised and called bullying is a merry go round of fucking stupidity.. and we are currently on that hell ride and that's why the Government should never have made us ride.

[lestat]

Because cyberfunk the question wasn't about rights, it was about changing the definition.

Because of the religious and cultural ties, the definition has importance and meaning, something you don't get.

[GeneraL CyberFunK]

I'm well aware of the religious and cultural ties.. the definition has importance and meaning.. I definitely get "it".

I also get that back in the early 1900's it was legal in Australia to marry a 12 yr old girl. Yet.. interestingly enough.. we've made our way past that evolution of marriage. Even though the church still has a habit of fucking small children.

The definition changed when John Howard changed it.. without asking the nation. He just pushed it through. So please don't infer I don't get it. A supposedly secular nation having a religious fuelled decision made on the definition of marriage.. even though culturally we are moving away from religion.. That decision to change the definition was about restricting rights and segregation.

As it stands.. there are a LOT of christians who do believe in same sex marriage... so clearly the religious and cultural ties have evolved also.

The question of "what would Jesus do" seems pretty apt right now.. my belief would be that he'd be fine with it. He was all about love and equality.. it makes sense.. hence why so many of my religious friends are all for it too.

Religious beliefs change.. The adherence to the Bible is a perfect example. The fact that we have far right nutjobs holding onto the Bible even when you point out their cherry picking hypocrisy is further proof that there comes a point where religion needs to move onto it's next cycle in order to stay relevant. It's happened many times.. the transition periods aren't nice.. and unfortunately they generally happen when people die. Given that religion has evolved, definitions and interpretations also - this is really no different to the changes that have been and gone.. without world ending consequences.

[Madmya]

Wow, the literal meaning of homophobic was used. I haven't seen that in a while, that fit in quite nicely for you.

I think we're already on a merry go round.

[guttermouth]

The question of "what would Jesus do" seems pretty apt right now.. my belief would be that he'd be fine with it

Yep, him being a loving hippy and Liberal I rekon Jesus wouldn't mind. But I don't think that other misogynist, thieving, war mongering, pedo prophet would be fine with it.

[GeneraL CyberFunK]

Just like how homophobic don't like gay people.. and wish we simply didn't exist because we make them scared.. I wish people didn't need to continually point out what homophobia is.

One thing to clarify.. When I initially did rock climbing.. I was scared. It was new, unfamiliar.. and ultimately dangerous. I was open minded enough to give it a go. It was fun.. I don't have the urge to do it again though.. but I'm all for people doing it they want.

My parents were upset when they first found out I was gay.. they were scared for me.. it was unfamiliar.. i guess not what they "signed up for". They understand now.. because they have experienced what it's like to have children who are gay... there is no fear.. other than the worry that we may miss out on the same opportunities they had.

It's okay to be scared and unsure about things.. but if you can't rationally and objectively navigate those fears and realise when and they don't relate/impact on you... and well.. yeah.. you irrationally direct your fear, anger and ignorance without trying to understand.. homophobe.. bigot.. those terms are apt.

You can't deny that the definition of marriage has changed over the years. This change only affects a relatively small number of people... if you can't rationally approach this topic and recognise the glaring truths as to why it should be passed into law.. well.. if the bigot/homophobic hat fits.. wear it.

[Ambrose Burnside]

Definite merry-go-round.

My priest says this is bad.
This doesn't affect you.
Yes but history
This doesn't affect you
Children
This doesn't affect you
Culture
This doesn't affect you
Schools will force boys to wear dresses and ban the word mother and father
*jumps off cliff*

[Madmya]

You missed the word bigot in there Ambrose.

[Ambrose Burnside]

Also the word bully.

I was being objective.

[Madmya]

For the first time?

[Ambrose Burnside]

I think your definition of the word objective is the same as a cartoon I saw recently of a news guy saying something like "here's a world renowned expert in the field, and in the interests of fair and balanced news, here's a random hick whose uninformed opinions we'll give equal weighting to for some reason."

[lestat]

It's funny how people say it doesn't effect you, changing the structure of society does have impact for religions, religion has been the guide and compass for societies moral values for centuries.

The rules are there to keep the masses safe, healthy and reproduce successive generations. Since human offspring require so much time and education to reach usefulness in society, we needed a construct to keep parents from leaving. This is why they came up with marriage and till death do us part, monogamy etc.

I recently learned the reason why muslims don't eat pork, apparently pork turns quite rancid fast in the heat and will kill you, hence it became unholy to eat pork.

So as much as we like to bag on religion, accept the fact your moral values are heavily based on christian teachings, our society is built on that foundation, this is why the marriage law even exists. Religions have considered homosexuality as corruption, since their view is to promote the continuation of our species and if the corruption got large enough, it would jeopardize the growth of the herd.

Religion has done such a great job at keeping society together and grown it, we now don't need it, until we do again.

[Madmya]

I think your definition of the word objective is the same as a cartoon I saw recently of a news guy saying something like "here's a world renowned expert in the field, and in the interests of fair and balanced news, here's a random hick whose uninformed opinions we'll give equal weighting to for some reason."

Cool story bro.

[Ambrose Burnside]

About a month to go until the results are announced.

What I really want to see is Abbott's electorate voting yes then Abbott taking a big dump on his will of the people rhetoric by voting no in Parliament like slimy hypocrite he is.

Then I want him to be part of the bridal party at his sister's wedding.

[Madmya]

Maybe you should go and scream bigot from outside all night.

[Jasper]

Lestat....do you have a problem with people sucking and fucking outside marriage (thus, spitting on the bible's representation of marriage) and then walking into a church (oh, I don't know...let's just say an orthodox church ) to get married?

How about oral sex, which is in fact considered SODOMY (akin to anal sex) and thus a sin. Is that stopping Christian men turning their precious wives into Christian cocksuckers? NOPE!!!...because these bootleg Christian men care more about having a chick slobbering all over their cock than their Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

I guess lucky for bootleg Christians that they happen to have the luxury of hiding their sins and disrespect for God behind their bedroom doors.

Men who sit at their desk jacking off to porn, women who walk into clinics to undergo an abortion, men jamming their dick down a chick's throat, women who spread their legs to get banged outside marriage, women popping out bastard children...

SIN after SIN after SIN....but SHHHHH...



Just hope nobody draws attention to what a hypocritical sack of lying shit you are engaging in your own sin, whilst you point your judgmental finger and legally oppress others for also engaging in sin.

[Madmya]

I'm still trying to figure out why you exist.

[Jasper]

I partly exist to act as your daily reminder that you are a cunt!

[Madmya]

That's what my mates are for... hmm.

[Ambrose Burnside]

We seem to have Jaspar, you guys seem to have GameHED. Unsure where he stands on Lizardman marriage though.

I ... I need a shower.

[Jasper]

That's what my mates are for... hmm.

Also don't forget statistics show that most marriages end in divorce.

So you're probably about a few years away from your spouse calling you a "cunt", and dragging you through the court system to strip you of your assets the same exact way Lestat's brother is being fucked over by his wife as we speak.

[Madmya]

I'm not married. And I get the feeling you'll be ending more marriages than me.