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Twiztid Elf wrote:The real intent the 2nd amendment is to provide the people with a defense mechanism against corrupt tyrannical leadership.
Lisa: The second amendment is just a remnant from revolutionary periods, it has no real meaning today
Homer: You couldn't be more wrong Lisa. If I didn't have this gun the King of England could just come in here and start pushing you around. Do you want that, well do ya?
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All of the ones I'm posting here are ones I've watched.

Jounalist Jim Marrs explains in his book "rule by secrecy" how ufos, the government coverups, the secret societies and ancient accounts may be tied together into one global conspiracy and what it means for us now:
14 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVFqRrMH_A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTosMcP-F5c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN-31s9Bkm4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HmGpWlY-vA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8_d9m6U5Hs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ND5hdCDCo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrWYT99PPc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBkLeE-i3hA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwN6Jiy0waE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5adwiLUxs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3t_yI07e7A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qmIXyYTYw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6uLmzXN1I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVFqRrMH_A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The stuff on Aurora is insteresting because the covering up wasn't as good in those days. Mainstream media could report on it and take the story seriously. Thanks "Punisher" lol Good to see some old guys still reading comics.

The Secret Society Agenda, Alien or Human? 6 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT_z-B1uLdk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vERuVN63U" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRA5gudDbfg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8naeln-L0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipdzz7PUt68" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRqBHmTV-o" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ancient technology, how civilisation devolved to how we are today, and how knowledge was hidden and formed secret socieities who had exclusive access to this ancient knowledge. In the future we may have a 'stargate' being opened up.
Iraq war was all about the stargate and ancient sumerian tablets. They had to make it look like common thieves looted the area. They must have been after the ancient secrets. We all know the sphinx is older than believed and egyptians didn't build the pyramids but it drives tourism and officially accepted so it will make the people who got there to discover the place first and occupy it, feel good..

Ancient Monatomic Gold 7 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG8WcCIGC24" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSZsNX-2sSI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0wAU4AiQc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxQNEOSAkk0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjI_9aL2iuU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4amo2kPXU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMZwvpB8F_w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This explains the importance of the whitepowder that has antigravity properties. All this would destroy many industries if allowed to be publicly available and allowed people to make use of this. Unless there is a way to make money out of something usually the mainstream experts will convince us all 'it's not practical' in order to protect certain industries.
We could have had George Jetson flying Anti-gravity cars ages ago. We are probably now fighting space wars with this tech and the governments around the world won't tell the public. well, maybe not the mexican government which wants more open release of info on ufos. We need this technology on the ground too if we ever meet hostile aliens so as to put up defense. If the deals the government made get broken and they are tricked you'd be able to fight hostile threat properly here on earth. Imagine "land speeders" like in star wars and stuff like that?

I'll post about credo mutwa next: this is some shaman in africa who ate the "flesh of a living god" (a dead grey alien whose body was quickly hidden before the body could be recovered by other greys) and became more magically powerful afterwards. He claims that the "Darth Maul" character as seen in Str Wars episode 1 was based on a reptilian alien breed which he calls the "chitahaouri" (don't know if that is spelled correctly) or something who it is known in secret, took away humans' natural ability to speak with thier minds and modified us to create the slave race to mine earth of gold for them. Perhaps the star wars movies are based on something real going on up in space we are not made aware of? (why does nasa cover up moon landing and airbrush things out? what are they hiding?)
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GameHED wrote:This explains the importance of the whitepowder that has antigravity properties.
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on the gun issue individuals have rights to own guns:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/project" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... ararms.htm
Introduction
The meaning of the Second Amendment depends upon who you talk to. The National Rifle Association, which has the Second Amendment (minus the militia clause) engraved on its headquarters building in Washington, insists that the Amendment guarantees the right of individuals to possess and carry a wide variety of firearms. Advocates of gun control contend that the Amendment was only meant to guarantee to States the right to operate militias. For almost seventy years following its cryptic decision of U. S. vs. Miller in 1939, the Court ducked the issue, finally to resolve the question in its much anticipated 2008 decision, District of Coluumbia v Heller.

Miller was subject to two possible interpretations. One, that the Second Amendment is an individual right, but that the right only extends to weapons commonly used in militias (the defendants in Miller were transporting sawed-off shotguns). The second--broader--view of Miller is that the Amendment guarantees no rights to individuals at all, and the defendants lost the case as soon as it was obvious that they were not members of a state militia.

There is also a second open question concerning the Second Amendment: If it does create a right of individuals to own firearms, is the right enforceable against state regulation as well as against federal regulation? In 1876, the Supreme Court said the right--if it existed--was enforceable only against the federal government, but there's been a wholesale incorporation of Bill of Rights provisions into the 14th Amendment since then, and it's not clear that the Court would come to the same conclusion today. In Quilici vs Morton Grove, a case involving a challenge to a Chicago suburb's ban on the possession of handguns, the Seventh Circuit concluded that the right was not enforceable against the states. The Second Circuit, in its 2009 decision in Maloney v Cuomo, also concluded that the Second Amendment does not apply to state firearms bans. The Second Circuit said that the U. S. Supreme Court's 1886 Presser v Illinois decision, holding the Second Amendment limits only the federal government, was still good law until overturned by the High Court. The U. S. Supreme Court is likely to finally decide the issue, and most commentators are betting the Court will reach a different conclusion than did the Seventh and Second Circuits.

In 2008, the U. S. Supreme Court, in District of Columbia vs. Heller, struck down a Washington, D.C. ban on individuals having handguns in their homes. Writing for a 5 to 4 majority, Justice Scalia found the right to bear arms to be an individual right consistent with the overriding purpose of the 2nd Amendment, to maintain strong state militias. Scalia wrote that it was essential that the operative clause be consistent with the prefatory clause, but that the prefatory clause did not limit the operative clause. The Court easily found the D. C. law to violate the 2nd Amendment's command, but refused to announce a standard of review to apply in future challenges to gun regulations. The Court did say that its decision should not "cast doubt" on laws restricting gun ownership of felons or the mentally ill, and that bands on especially dangerous or unusual weapons would most likely also be upheld. In the 2008 presidential campaign, both major candidates said that they approved of the Court's decision.
Supreme Court Decides Second
Amendment Case
The Supreme Court votes 5 to 4 to strike down a
Washington, D. C. ban on the private possession of handguns.
Justice Scalia authors majority opinion.

In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) the Court considered the following question: Do D.C. Code Section 7-2502.02(a)(4), which generally bars the registration of handguns; Section 22-4504(a), which bars carrying a pistol without a license; and Section 7-2507.02, which requires that all lawfully owned firearms be kept unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock, violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?
The Court concluded that the Second Amendment does establish an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense and hunting. The Court concluded that the D.C. gun ban could not stand. At the same time, the Court recognized that the government can regulate gun rights. The Court said its decision should not be interpreted to question the right of government to: prohibit felons and the mentally ill from owning weapons, prohibit guns in schools or public buildings, ban certain categories of guns not commonly used for self-defense, and to establish certain other conditions on gun ownership.


Opinion of the Court (edited version)
District of Columbia v Heller (2008)

Full Opinion
Supreme Court Opinion (6/26/2008)

Opinion below of the D. C Circuit:
Parker v District of Columbia (2007)
You'll note the mainstream will always refer to the violent crimes involving weapons as "gun crimes". right there you know it's a problem-reaction-solution scare tactic because they are not concerned about the who or why something happened just that they can add it into a statistic under "gun" crimes and tell people that guns are causing the crimes and then let the government confiscate them. Why not "psycho crime" or "person with suicidal thought" crimes?

They (the anti-gun groups and anti-game groups) don't know they are just being used by the powers that be to eventually put them into prisons since they don't see the connections these corporations have with helping to finance hitler and help bad guys enslave the population by tricking them into believing they are more secure if you just trust the government and be a good german and let them control everything and profile everyone with spy technologies.

There was a simpsons halloween episode of aliens taking control over earth right after lisa managed to bring succeed world peace because nobody could fight them after all the worlds weapons were destroyed. Even though her intention might be good so were the people who "just followed orders" and were ignorant of the bigger threat ahead.
I believe aliens will be used in future to fight more war in the same way terror is now. Think of all the money the arms sellers could make creating newer and more deadly types of weapons and creating more control mechanisms. (lasers that shoot people from the sky from above and then say it was just an accident when really it is to test their affectiveness on real things, just like chem trails on the public) Individuals want self sufficiency, not governments abusing their positions to help make certan people rich so they can enslave the public with the peoples taxes. (wasted on things like censoring the internet, and dumbing people down so they can't compete)
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recent Project camelot interview with Jim Marrs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2v0cu8pQOc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Credo Mutwa interview (interesting because it goes into detail about how the greys wear 'suits')
They are not NAKED. This is just a high tech covering just like the black eyes are just covering for the real eyes - sort of like wearing goggles or shades. Underneath they are pinkish. They stink like hell, just like phli schneider mentioned in his accounts.

very long interview (speaks very slow), but still interesting nonetheless:

Part 1 (13 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6MhHc8JQk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpDjKtLSow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07Qj26DBB0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMWc29l9Jbc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6BviL8iJQU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75IbtxLTpHo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9u5fdt634" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvhPg3RO_aA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfnBxY--360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BDxilvMsJs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgMHkLxyxFo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZnqhNkEqKI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6MhHc8JQk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part 2 (19 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQuQaZqHu2Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqkO9J4lpw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4v0u0qSxLE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP8hgHSy7w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUAxmHHX8k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taoXmyG2F4g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7izvhsC_qM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4RssHg6LE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XKXffbkakk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tSixnrZ7QY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUw2rhU2l2Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQw6jivnuJs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGvf6Q7-u8c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QU-Npy6WPw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLcdpR4Uu0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4OrwhVysp8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWCZk2zi9eg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0vIIzAymUo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TKc7B7_AI0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyway that's enough conspiracies for today.
The next thing I will do is post stuff on the hollow earth theory and how people are told not to fly near the north pole because there is a big opening there.

I believe the giants may actually live inside earth with high technology. George noory has covered some of the stuff on coast to coast and these australian guys have posted their scientific theories on it. Might go and watch Journey to the Centre of the Earth after this.
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The Simpsons is an interesting subject.

The show itself has massive scope for sending messages to the general public. Probably more so than any other mechanism. Rupert Murdoch, someone who is a card carrying member of the NWO owns it. However I strongly suspect that Matt Groenings political compass is far, far away from Rupert Murdochs.

The Simpsons has openly attacked Rupert Murdoch, corporate interests and fascism, etc on many, many occasions. They haven't really noticeably pushed the globalists agenda either.

BUT, I have noticed a slight change lately. They recently had an episode dealing with Colony Collapse Disorder, and I was frustrated by the way they played down the seriousness of the issue and essentially showed contempt and made fun of any idiot who dares to show concern.
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Well it is a cartoon. And it is supposed to be comedy. Simpsons makes fun of the very audience it is aimed at, so expecting it to take anything serious is a bit much because then people might not watch it.

The big threat in the future is going to be all the data collection and mining of your information by federal government so they can spy on everything you look at.

The paranoia about google right now (see below) for example are real concerns by people who don't want to be profiled and expect these companies to really protect them and their privacy.

Now I don't care what country you are from you have a right to privacy. The NWO can just say "we are at war" "we are a war" and declare "emergency emergency emergecny 911 changed the world blah blah blah" and then use the military to take control over things that police should be involved in. (they will try to acclimatise the public and get them used to soldiers on streets which is phase 1) This is clearly an attempt to get people fearing 'terror' (the country is not at war but pretending they are is how they can try to control individuals and trick them into giving up human rights) and through the fear they give up fighting for rights over a period of time.

But if people expose their plans everyday and reject it everytime they attempt to control or take away a right, showing that they are not going to put up with the bullying, this will block and expose the illegality of their actions. If you are a criminal, it should be the police handling that. Not the army. Not army intelligence. Governments shouldn't be spying on their own citizens. You want to get the terrorist? Do it with existing powers. Remember it's your money you hard work that makes the country function. At some point even the foreign troop they need to help them control you, will eventually realise this and wonder if their own people will be treated by their masters/supporters this way, after they are done with you. Educate the foreigners as to how they are being used, don't hate them. Persuade them to fight against it. Inside each person there is a good and dark side.

The agenda is take your rights away by convincing people they are at war so it can involve soldiers, and while taking away yours, grant themselves more draconic powers to put all control in fewer hands. This is nothing new! People need to wake up and defend what is actually right, (sticking up for innocents) not what government wants you to think is the right thing. ie "lets just spy on innocent people and abuse that power and information we have on them to silence any opposition by slowly taking rights away" This whole internet censorship thing is one example of destroying freedom of speech and spying on people under the guise of protecting you.

What it could mean is that a whistle blower exposing corruption could be tracked and then mysteriously disapear by having all the email monitored, cars tracked, phone bugged, patterns observed, people they meet etc etc. Absolute power is what they fantasise about so they can get away with criminal behavior. Doesn't matter what flag you wave, you know in your gut that we are headed to an evil empire where people are slowly trying to be silenced for their views and for being curious about what is happening on issues the mainstream media don't like to report on.

Tactics:
-call an emergency so you can get army involved.

-take the guns and hire thugs to harass people. (dress up soldiers in plain clothes)

-increase spying powers by rushing new laws secretly when the public can't scrutinise them.

-centralise control (the future internet will probably by controlled by big government + big business and any smaller guy can't compete and have his stuff travel slowly, meaning absolute control monopoly of the internet just like roads)

-make partnerships with the established powers in each industry and befriend them, playing favourites to those who pledge loyalty to nwo or have some dirty thing they need to be hidden so they are compliant through blackmail tactics.

-false flag events so the mainstream media has something..anything, to report on daily to support their agenda and feed the fear that everyone is gonna die if we don't increase security and spend more on weapons and big brother spying industry

-demonise the groups that threaten their controls: any group trying to bring back more individual powers (ie ron paul supporters) and label them white supremcists so people think patriots are evil skinheads out to bash you up for being concenred about open borders to foreigners, who the locals know are going to act as the outsourced soldiers because they are not related to people in the country so "don't care" that the NWO is using them.

-massive cctv cameras everywhere to use against the public but banning of your individual right to use a camera so you can watch the watchers. UK is a fine example. They can turn off cameras when they need to attack innocents, while turning them back on when they have plain clothes cops who look like violent protesters beat (pretend to beat) uniformed cops to demonise protesting in general to the public. Edited/censored reality.

-introducing the idea of chipping you like an animal or prisoner in a POW camp. This is key to getting everyone to worship the maitreya godlike christ who will unite all religious beliefs into one and become a type of world religious leader (using the green movement to enforce his will) to calm the masses. "everything is ok just sit in a circle and abandon worries and become one with the hive consciousness."

-using entertainment media to indoctrinate the young into thinking it's cool to suppress individuals and getting them to believe they are serving the country that way when they are really just being used. Sith lord will use the tv in subtle ways to destroy old thinking and prepare them to kill their parents because "they are evil and outdated to the world as it has changed it's thinking now. Being evil is right, being good is evil. It's just two groups fighting for power that need each other. No real evil exists. Just sides. Your parents invented the term 'evil' just like the easter bunny and tooth fairy."

-seperating parents from kids so the child can be brainwashed by feeding information the government wants the kid to be fed to dumb them down and make them obedient and easy to control as an adult. This relates to the above but involves deliberatly promoting the idea that it's ok and normal for parents to fight against each other and compete rather than love each other. By seperating the mother from the father, and the child against the parents using the UN, they can eliminate the threat early on by encouraging each person to compete with their own family members.
One example is how people use laws to sue their own parents, or look for more powers and rights for themselves based on what gender they are instead of looking at what fruit they, as individuals, bear. "Oh it's unfair that men have to do this or that and women don't!" "Oh it's unfair that men have to pay this amount of money to this child when the child is not even his" "oh it's unfair mothers can't work while pregnent, that's just discrimination because I'm a woman" ...use the weaknesses of people's character to turn them against each other and make it hard for the family to be self sufficient so they have to rely on global socialist government for help instead of themselves.

-fluoride in water and poisoning of the air with chemtrails (how anyone can deny that this is bad for your health is beyond me. This is why all the different cancers exist today that weren't there from previous generations)

-....and many other things like taxing things that are popular to see how that industry copes under extreme pressure so they can use that data and learn what needs to be done when they need to target a specific group of people they want to hate and control them indirectly. This is why they NEED you information on things you like. So they can take it away from you or raise it's prices to make your life miserable and they can play "good cop, bad cop" routine to get you to accept some new law you don't like in exchange for them laying off on picking on the thing you like. For eg, when unemployment is high, they know that people like to buy lots of beer and smokes to relax, so knowing and studying these patterns, they tax it or make it scarce to drive up prices, forcing you to get angry which leads to angry mob, allowing them to bring in a hero who can change it back but ONLY at the cost of taking away something else to get another group angry. As long as at least guy loses and gets hurt, they are happy because it creates a deliberate imbalance in society for them to use as potential energy to manipulate the country further. There NEVER both sides succeeding in getting what they want to make both sides happy. This would create balance which is not what they want since it's harder to manipulate people's emotions that way. They need to take something away from someone to get their attention, and then using that support, (saying another group is responsible for taking it away) attack the enemy of the guy/group they are funding, who they also want to make angry, and start wars between those two sides. (leading to some kind of "solution" (or compromise) the government comes up with that cheats BOTH of them at the same time of something, while the government gains something from the fight that they started. In order to defeat this, each person must be aware of how they are being manipulated and reverse it so that they can't use you to hurt the other side to successfully destabilise society. Don't be the 'trigger' they can press to create the predicted reaction they expect. Make their predicted formulas fail by restraining yourself. If they hire fake groups or an outside source to start fights, people will know as they can infiltrate it and find out where the money is coming from to fund the group and slowly figure out from who and see the social connection members have. Everything costs money. They know this and it's why they want people chipped to pay for goods and services so they can "delete their own history" with fake electronic money in a cashless global society, while looking at your history (an immortal undeletable cookie of your entire life) in massive databases and understand your habits. At some point computers will predict what decisions should be made automatically based on a formula they use to run things and fed by the enormous information from chips. Something like the AI thing in Eagle Eye.

Imagine google maps, merged with databases, merged with search strings, merged with digital tvs which has hidden cameras and mic inside it (this is going to be how they will bring about the "Dark Knight"-style spy network. The same tiny cameras used on stealth suit) and combined with the chip in your body to locate your position being put together to monitor everything you see, hear, say, do, buy, sell, etc used by the AI to run your life in stealth without you knowing it? You will be like contestants on the "big brother tv show" but the real version with reptilians being the audience watching you. (see the movie "The Truman Show" for hints :D )

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Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-28) asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.

5. Google hires spooks:
Keyhole, Inc. was supported with funds from the CIA. They developed a database of spy-in-the-sky images from all over the world. Google acquired Keyhole in 2004, and would like to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.

6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.

7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."

8. Google is not your friend:
By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters.

9. Google is a privacy time bomb:
With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.
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http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2001Q2/dumbed.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

explaining the threat the internet is to tv and where we are heading in the future.
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"Will america be prepared to fight any future conventional wars with all this focus on terrorists hiding in caves?"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis144.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think once they are worn down, I think china or russia will be ripe for attacking and that will be WWIII. Whoever wins that, controls the world.

The key is money money money. If you can make a nation more self sufficient (bring back real money not monopoly money) so individuals are not wasting it to make central banks rich and having them controlling people's money system, you can prosper and then use the honest people's strength and leadership to lead the weaker ones (who would normally be your enemies because they are forced to fight after their country is destroyed) through example once they see the success and model themselves after you and bring true world peace, not the false world order where concentration camps are set up and foreign soldiers loyal to foreign/alien lands take over the nation and police the locals and tell them what to do.

If you want to know why boom and busts exist: realise they are set up deliberately as a control mechanism to indebt a nation and slowly steal the wealth of the nation. What happens when there is nothing left to take? People who have no option are forced to go to war with another nation to take from them and this leads to deaths, which is exactly what the NWO likes to see. (but only after they have used you as a slave first) Wars are great ways to depopulate the world because people leave behind treasure and the death solves the 'debt' problem.

You could say a death industry enriches them more because less people, means more for them.

But less poverty in the world would solve that, and there would be less reason for people to have to kill to feed themselves. No need for a NWO "benevolent dictatorship" with a gang extorting each indebted nation to it. People would just disarm and lisa simpson would get her wish by getting to the source of it all instead of destroying individuals freedoms (attacking innocent owners of guns with no criminal history) which is not necessary to bring proper (non-enslaving) peace.
"we need to sacrifice freedoms to bring security" is just nonsense. They just want you to believe that so they can eventually pacify people when the foreigners come and take control of the people, giving them more rights than the people they say they are trying to protect "from terror".

By weakening each individual nation, it ensures they maintain control from outside the nation to an elite few who just pretend to be each nation's friend when they are just interested in the resources of the land and sucking up those valuable resources to deny anyone else access to it. Part of the fall of roman empire was the overexpansion and having to defend large borders. The same thing is happening to america empire where it won't actually be able to defend itself from real threats as it tries to expand further and further and drain money, causing it to be inable to upgrade aging weapons and allowing competitors to advance slowly. Some people don't work merely for money and instead choose to fight for a cause. Who would want to fight to empower leaders who only abuse the people that they rely upon? This is why mercenaries and robots are going to be the future 'soldiers' because they can control them easily. Advances in AI and a push to automate defense will become reality as technology gets more advanced and governments look for cheaper alternatives. When all of this is linked together and they co-ordinate with each other to work well, I predict the elite will then attempt to then use these against the people themselves when the time is right. (ie Termintor, Matrix, Eagle Eye etc where the god of technology, knowledge, enlightenment etc being lucifer the lightbearer which is the perverted occultic interpretation of being wise and all-knowing, where in reality comes with the price of "death" when humans try to become god themselves instead of just accepting the truth)
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gun-loving texans draw a line in the sand (scared the black man is taking their weapons :D):
.. doesn't sound convincing though..he is a bilderberger

but it mirrors the trends we have seen recently to be less reliant on central control..
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;? ... geId=88218

The answer will be to paint everyone lonewolf terrorists making bombs to kill minorities.
The MSM will put up a lot of news reports of criminals using guns to hurt people in order to condition the public to get angry at the gun owners for being the criminals and terrorists, not distinguishing innocents from criminals.


picture of a 6 foot man standing next to 100, 000 000 dollars.
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picture of same man standing next to 10, 000 000 000 000
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still less than the US debt. :shock:


edit:
more on the guns issue which explains the right of an individual to have them for self-defence in the home:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 22&sp=true

A free society is one where people are innocent until proven guilty. Don't judge those who want the guns, as being dangerous criminals or mentally ill psychos. (even if those ones exist too) You are only allowed to see bits and pieces of the truth, (to encourage fear) not being given the whole picture. Labels are the keys to controlling groups of people and pitting them against each other to get them clawing away at individual's rights until both sides compromise which brings both sides under the control of the controllers who planted the opposing ideas into each sides' heads which was the thing that caused them to fight to begin with.

....


NWO
This is really good this:
George Noory (Coast To Coast AM) talks with Alex Jones about the states declaring sovereignty to break from Federal control over the people. Goes into details about how the collapse of the economy was an engineered-on-purpose crisis to then lead the country into the change which they planned years in advance to get a more dictatorial control over everyone. In reaction, states are deciding to wake up and stand up for its people. History is being made.

12 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLED1a0Sr-k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfW9ubP0wYo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koELPCsloUU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkONGIjqFVA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5F-kqYgwMI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvqkBPOfMfE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyRipsmcVuk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3fkWgs0O3I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-8wxBFBd7w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7AtxrZwHKY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwYYksV1c4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfYPpVDPKG4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Surviving the new world order:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkx98ZFFwLA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the near future there will be no elections - our leaders will be appointed for us by the wealthy elite. There will be no cash - we will work for "credits" on an implanted microchip. There will be no home owners - we will all live in public housing. There will be no cars - we will ride public transportation. Jobs will be assigned, not chosen. Food, clothing, and shelter will be allocated, not bought. There will be military police on every street. Your children will swear allegiance to the state every day during indoctrination in school, and spy on you for their leaders. Even your preschoolers will be cared for by government appointed nannies who will raise them to idolize the New World Order while you work.

This is a re-upload of a video that was banned by YouTube for "copyright infringement" because of a song in it, even though I counted over 100 other videos on Youtube and Google Video with the same song!

Plastic coffins like the ones in the video:
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And their competitors:
http://www.vantageproducts.com/Funera.." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

And if you still doubt that they're coffins, look here where they say, "This vault comes in Adult, Infant, and Oversize sizes."
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/index..." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

This video was completed in October 2008, and part of it is already coming true, namely that the US Dollar is being intentionally destroyed by our government. The purpose is to destroy the Middle Class and force a North American or World currency on us. The ultimate plan is to eliminate money altogether and implant us with chips, which will hold all of our information on them, allowing full control over every aspect of our lives by our billionaire banker masters.
Fight the good fight. Don't let the evil guys have their way and trick you dummies into imprisoning yourself because of laziness.
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While people are on the topic of chemtrails and colony collapse disorder I found a nice youtube video on the possibility that it was chemtrails that are responsible:
Destroying nature and people's source of food would fit right in with the plan to depopulate the world. The planes responsible need to be identified and brought down. Then imprison those people responsible for bio terrorism.

Interesting video for religious people:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cfPMKv2 ... -fresh+div[/youtube]

Could all the stories be taken literally after all? Remember keep your mind open before judging.

Which brings me too....

Behold a Pale Horse:

Based on the book by William Cooper.

Description:
Behold a Pale Horse is a 1991 book by William Milton Cooper.
Written after Cooper had been a member of the US Naval Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, the book details many of Cooper's claims about the alleged influence of UFOs on US government agencies, the New World Order, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the alleged Apollo hoaxes and other topics.
Another claim made in the book pertains to his own death. William Cooper, seemingly paranoid, claimed that he would be shot to death on his own property. True to his "fate," he was gunned down in precisely this manner years after publishing the book and settling down in Arizona.
The title of the book alludes to a passage in the Bible, Revelation 6:8: "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him."

Behold a Pale Horse is definitely not a book to curl up on the couch with on a Sunday afternoon. The topics William Cooper discusses will very likely keep you reading late into the night. There are two types of people in the world: those who want to know who exactly is controlling whom, and those who are more comfortable taking things at face value. What really disturbed me was the theory of the true intent of the government. Cooper's account of what the government is capable of in times of heightened alert is extremely relevant now. It is important to keep in mind that this book was published before the attack on the World Trade Center because the US is finding itself in exactly the position Cooper predicted. Whether or not you think you might agree with the information in this book, I recommend any book written by someone who was killed for the purpose of silencing him or her. Be an informed citizen and know what your government is capable of.
This explains how the president is able to skirt the balance of power between executive, legislative, judicial branches (which is supposed to ensure balance and checks on one sde being too powerful) of government because the country has been in a state of martial law since the civil war.
This allows the president to have the power of a dictator (just assume the country is in an emergency state and normal government can't take control) and why the false flag attacks are used to keep the people in the state of shock so that they'll welcome more security protetction from bad guys, making everyone submit to the new world order.

For those who are curious as to how the republic fell into a empire now you know. Notice how FEMA is being used to deal with every engineered crisis lately and this takes control over normal government? Are you starting to see how the puzzle pieces connect. Why the simpsons movie is so wierd. Why they are threatening you with environmental disasters now as the new "terrorist" threat? As long as they can scare you and have an excuse to call in emergency services to pretend they are there to help; when really they are there to lock down cities and rape people of their own control due to the emergency powers of the president, they can put on a good show for the mainstream media and feed the public into believing this dictator's control is good for them.

"Behold a Pale Horse" is highly recommended reading for those who into NWO/secret societies/ufo topic and who want to understand what is happening today. This thing came out way back in the early 90s long before 911 and describes all the things that have already happened now or will be in the process of happening in the future.

I believe that in the future they will use environmental disasters to shock us into accepting more taxes, and blame industrial living for the cause of the destruction (instead of the secret weapons like HAARP and deliberate destruction by companies like monsanto) and then make a religion out of worshipping nature and the planet. This is where the new age religion will come into play and possibly people deciding to worship the aliens who claiming to be human's creators to bring benevolent world teachings to the globe. I think it could be either fake ufo staged attack, using human technology backengineered from ET tech kept in secret as we have been warned, ...or... real hostile aliens who the elite may worship in some form for giving them the hidden knowledge and thus wanting to bow down to them for worshipping illumination/knowledge/science/lucifer as their god in secret, whilst at the same time posing as athiests in public to keep people ignorant of what they truly believe.

Anyway this book is 18 years ahead of its time but it is very relevent to those around today who have just woken up.

18 parts
(This is on a playlist so you can click the first link and just check the "play all" button for convenience)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfnQDgN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jpae8A8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RHpRvb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHXxRYXa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1vmcZlV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9biB-e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-obl7RR" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUkGqWlx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Tmj-cC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxWqAQX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj3mfFuD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk_5I30Y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhibaj6E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWf-7E2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsANnUHl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjCdIyUK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvoUjT2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v39Fdiij" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... e=PlayList

mp3s of the book.

Here is a PDF to the book for 'teh pirates' interested in getting a full non-cutdown version of it. It's actually getting hard to find now so it might be worth saving to disk just in case big brother burns all the books in the future.

I want to post some stuff on the hollow earth theory next. I didn't "favourite" the vids at the time so I have to hunt them down. But it was on george noory's coast to coast show which I found interesting.
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ah finally found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjMjqsRc3K4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMxJh5LFVI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puw9IYMkpmg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4MtCvdr024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puDtXFhGvXI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQ2CFPEXc0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPHsWAPkPeA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjlX4il9GU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCgeMPSr9PA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfBhydcC0ik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWFHEWYVQV8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sLTXldJA-g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is where I think the giants of old had decided to live:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 62,00.html

If the egyptians were too primitive to build the pyramid, maybe these high tech atlantean giant beings had done so and then left? The giant cities then got flooded and knowledge and ancient technology was lost, until the survivors could start al over again and then forming secret societies keeping the knowledge to themselves to once again rule over normal humans to get revenge?

which brings me to steve quayle on C2C:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzPCKo0_c7s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9blGAih6klU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F1COEXsjO0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4en8C9tslQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJtvOcWtr3U" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_JpiXK78Uw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UmmDke8qXU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUBnSECD4Uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Link to steve quayle's website (the giants section):
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

....The hellgate man....I predict the racist eugenicists who want super humans will end up unleashing these monsters and worship them, being themselves destroyed in the process. What I suggest to the hollow earth explorers: find the good ones who have decided to turn away from evil.

The giants are not just normal "tall people" like basketball players. They are proportionally wide and broad as well. Can you imagine the military getting their hands on this and go all jurassic park on this? Now you understand why the knowledge was destroyed.

My advice to the humans: if you try to unleash these things you better have some kind of counter weapon in case they get out of control and use you as a source of food.
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I would say an automatic rifle would beat a giant dude anyday. I don't see how the size of a soldier has anything to do with effectiveness - the bigger they are, bigger target they are.

That said, I'm not trying to say that what you've proposed is not true, but I am pointing out that the application you've describes isn't really relevant in this case.
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While I'm posting (and I should really be doing this elsewhere, but let's see) - what do you guys believe being 'awakened' constitutes?

Is it brushing off mainstream media and seeking the truth?
Is it actively researching and finding the truth?
Or is there a more spiritual undertone involved?

I read CT sites and see all these people talking about being 'awakened', but what does that actually mean?

Like I've said to some of my friends, it's one thing to know the truth (as opposed to the ignorant masses, or 'sheeple'), but at the end of the day we're no better off than anyone else. I guess if we acted on what we knew then we could prepare, but the bottom line is we're all in this together when the shit hits the fan.

So what constitiutes being 'awakened'? and is being awake enough?

And what from a spiritual side of things? Seeking the truth and growing spiritually are two seperate things.

LIke I said - wrong site for this post, but there are a couple of people's responses here that I would be interested in hearing (don't bother Mech).
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Being awake is knowing when you are being lied to so you can catch 'the man' hiding stuff and sneaking stuff that the public would not normally be able to scrutinse.

for example:
notice how when you try to protest against anything the mainstream paint you in negative terms and then the masses will automatically not criticise the tv show they are watching in their minds?

It's this subtle mind programming over a long period of time that has an effect on our thinking that makes people not want to question what's around them. It's harder to want to find stuff out that isn't being shown then what is being shown. They get to contorl what debates we have, what our attention is focused on, and how we should think about the groups without them staying neutral in their reporting and just giving facts.

That's not what is happening and people know it's not just white folks who are angry at the president because he is a black guy. Like really....who are the mainstream fooling here? This is why tv can dumb people down and be a powerful tool in controlling people just like religions and cults and politicians who want to sell a bad thing for you as a good for you. (ie fluoride in water for eg)

When the net is censored the first thing that will happen is the internet will be a lot more like tv in terms of what you are allowed to see. You will register your site with the government, content will be rated, people will be spied upon (already happening with google), ideas they don't like will be silienced. (no whistleblowers)

Being awake is just being aware of stuff outside the information already being placed in front of you by the establishment and getting the other side of a story. If for example you see chemtrails document them, compare them to contrails, get the strange fake clouds analysed by those who are experts, people are dying from the poison, and the government keeps saying 'they don't exist' for so long, you know something is wrong. That's being aware of stuff beyond what is just told to you and trying to piece together the puzzle and solve the mystery. But we've all been trained to trust the guy wearing a certain costume/uniform/badge/position/status and assume they are different to any normal person and can't lie or be cabable of corruption by some other person.

"I was just following orders, not my rsponsibility to the public to leak information that should be a matter of public concern". The evil guys need darkness to shroud their actions so that's why people need to be aware of the bad shit that is happening around them for their own safety. They are a sleeping giant that would rather waste time getting into an argument instead of seeing for themselves if anything that is said to them is true or false or not.

By the time they realise stuff, it might be too late and they will wake up in prison unaware of how it all got the way. Where good guys became criminals and bad guys get rewarded (bailouts) for failing and destroying and taking advantage of innocents who they manipulated. That mass manipulation is how they got away with their actions. "why should I give up my power, when you guys were too stupid to actually trust me? maybe you owe me for being more cunning than you and teaching you a lesson on how to survive?"

How does religion and morals fall into all this? Well I think satanism rewards people who do stuff that is against the normal morals, (lying and manipulation to get what you need off others and then gaining from people who you tricked) so in their mind it's 'normal' behavior. Using evil is how you succeed. This is like in an RPG if you played as a bad guy who tries to skirt the laws and hide you deeds from others to win instead of taking the harder path. Often you get cheated and can't trust others you cheat so you have to compete with them instead of help them. The good guy must have faith in those he befriends but runs the risks that he is easily tricked. (much harder if the world you live in is corrupted)

But as the world gets more evil over time (where good guys have their beliefs perverted and start to support the bad guys for comfort) it gets harder to do good. The NWO is only openly announcing itself because they have good people who are resistors who are trying to leak the plans and educate people to prepare for bad times ahead. That's why the internet censorship, the demonisation of the ron paul supporters (against the federal reserve controls), the mainstream media putting messages in cartoon and shows like 24 to encourage torture, the laws that take away a persons ability to be self sufficient so that they hve to rely on the government for help... etc etc

If they catch you while you are asleep, (unaware masses who are still in denial that their leaders could ever deceive them) it's much less risky. So they create the distractions like sport/entertainment/promises that can't be kept, to keep the masses happy just long enough while they are still in power.
If they lose that power and people were awake they wouldn't be able to achieve all this. It's only because of long decades of trickery could people allow bad guys to get away with things. If people don't know what is going on, they won't resistance. In fact they will think everything they are bringing in is beneficial to society. (big brother torturing people to give fake confessions, countries illegally spying on it's own citizens, chem trails being used to "protect you", army taking control as cops under the belief that that country is in a state of martial law forever, (so the leader can do stuff without the other branches of government balancing this power) destabilising the economy deliberately and taking away the wealth and then lending the people's own money back to them at interest to further enrich themselves while posing as 'heroes' rescuing people... etc etc

Sure there are racists out there, but this is bigger than what you are told by MSM. Globally we are all going to get tagged like animals (national ID is really a global ID in future) watched by big brother (offshore bankers who need to monitor each nation's wealth so they can manipulate them and control the flow of wars) and told by the elite to reduce your breeding habits or die.

You could say that "actively wanting to know the truth" is the definition of being awake, but it's not easy to find truth where people these days are rewarded or paid to lie or hide something. (and have incentive to not tell the truth because they have their career at risk) It's really being open-minded first, not taking things at face value but not immediately dismissing it either, and going to many sources for as much information as possible in case there is stuff you hear that you didn't already know on a topic.
(for eg a lot of obama supporters will want to just reject any negative information about him just out of guilt for having voted him into power so it's not easy from their perspective to accept any negative info without suspecting it's just a bunch of racists and because he is the first black guy to get into power. You got to show restraint and look at things you may not want to look at - that's allowing yourself to wake up)

I think lot of people who have seen zeitgeist like to use the "wake up" phrase a lot because to them it's new information and this is popular. (the religious stuff is sourced from new age authors though - so even amongst 'truthers' you must scrutinise) But remember there have been people warning about this stuff for years before the internet was widespread. They just couldn't get their message out because the public was concenred about the everyday things not global conspiracy. Now with crisises they feel some of the effects, so they are more open to want to ask questions and even question the reality around them more?

The new agers tend to think its about being loving and then that's it. No. It's about discerning right from wrong. Seeing where the root of problems come from so you can avoid the mistakes in future. Being able to see some of the bad news and recognise it for what it is instead of relabeling it as "bad balancing good. and bad being necesary step to personal growth" That's just designed to cheer people up. True waking up is seeing both negative and positive and trying to break the veil and exposing trickery. How did the Sith Lord turn anakin into serving him? He had to manipulate his mind first by planting "doubt" into his dreams to justify criminal action.

Same thing happening now: you got people in power convincing the public "if you don't let us have this draonic law in place we can't garuantee your security and peace." What's so good at having a false peace when you are locked inside a giant cage? People would be better off having less controls from those whose control only seems to make the controllers profit and not society. There is a big conflict of interest that for years the public can't see because the bad guys are good at tricking people and hiding. (they study your behavior the way you might study an animal's behavior patterns ie like a mouse in a maze that gets shocked to condition it to only go down certain paths) And the public is easily distracted with entertainment, distractions, shocks (911) and propaganda (resistence to nwo = you are terrorists) to keep the masses too tired, lazy, uneducated, fat etc..to care about what's happening.
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The thing about globslists:

A true peaceful "globalist" is someone who doesn't want to kill the population to benefit it.

A bad one would be what we have going on now where they try to justify evil to be able to bring what they think is good, but is in fact evil. The idea of globalism to bring a new order to say "we are the good helping you by giving ourselves divine rights, yet handing you rules that we are free from having to follow because we are above judgement", ...is just a perverted materialistic form of what a pure world leader would want.

Those with impure motives will not succeed in sitting on the world throne because as easily as they have gained this power, the very power will corrupt everyone else underneath and then result in their own collapse as the individual bonds and trust between members of their own 'order' fight and compete against each other to be the exclusive controller of it all. This is the snake eating its own tail.

This is what happens when you trust in the dark side and give up your own humanity just for riches. If you have poor foundations when building something it just leads to self destruction as the building crumbles under it's own weight. The more materialistic they get, the more fear they have of losing it all to others because they staked their lives on obtaining it and it became the meaning of their entire life. The fact is the world could feed al the nations poor but it's just greed that prevents us from brining true world peace. The NWO don't want true peace, just the appearance of it with them as leaders with divine rights that allows them ownership of all the world's resources. So what you have is this idea of marking everything and branding it all, because at the end of the day, they think they actually own it all. People should feel sorry for these people, not hate them. That's the spiritual side of things. If you are materialistic, there is a bit of them inside all people. But there is a good side in each person too. If you can get people to stop acting so defensive and praising their own leaders spreading violence and destruction then they will be on the first step to stoping or at least preventing the self destructive behavior.

They are spiritually immature so that is why the justification of torture, (they are scared they are losing mind war) abuses of power, fear of people being self sufficient, worry about losing control of the money system (why target ron paul supporters, why label everyone racists?) hating the nature itself for being able to provide people with food so having to pollute it with chemtrails, destruction of people's civil liberties and all the offences against people's human rights etc. Pity the sick and sufferring. They've already sealed their fate by not breaking their patterns. (there is nothing new to anything they are doing. It's only new to those who don't want to be aware of it in the past)
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The first stage to "waking up" is when voters understand that:

Both of the right and left are just being used to one day combine the bad half of one side with the bad half of the other side, and create a a whole with the two halfs which ends up being a big business + big government controlling the world outside the individual nations they sprang from.

So what you have is massive abuse of powers at the highest levels and suffering at the lower level. And individual freedoms slowly taken away in exchange for the "benefits of society" that the globalist think is going to be good. It's just a few men wanting a huge monopoly and using the powers to enslave everyone underneath them.

Both of the sides need to come together and speak about what's wrong with their own side and form a side that fights the bad halves of their own side that are pro NWO. The public already knows the dictator is abusing their trust, why not organise to fight it? Time is running out. What you see on the mainstream tv does not represent your views even if you label yourself democrat or republican, the guy on the tv is not your friend. That's the first stage that is hard for supporters (sheeple) to understand. Just because they are part of the same group you support, is it at all possible they are going to take something away that makes every suffer in some way that isn't felt by you yet?

But nooooo. Anyone who hates obama = neo nazi out to bash you up. Don't fall for the propaganda. Identify when truth is twisted to serve the party so that you won't have to be embarassed when speakers from that party make fools of themselves and you have to admit to the opposing side that "yeah, what an idiot, I can't believe they think this, I'm ashamed to be associated with this person and their stupid ideas"

what's really going on:
The left calls them "right-wing hackery." Uh, no.

The Tea Parties are America's way of saying "stop the looting and start prosecuting."

Are you listening Washington?
It's about the people vs the extreme sides of both wings which has allowed for the bad guys having their way with the public, using distractions and pitting one side against the other over petty differences.
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semi-related topic
"From Freedom to Fascism"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 3867390173

Very relevant today as we move to a global money system. :up: "The power to tax is the power to destroy."
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One of the most despicable acts of the Obamazoids is to start accusing anyone who is questioning what is going on as a racist. This is exactly what they want. The Obama plan is working perfectly.
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FEMA camps and the glenn beck conspiracy:

Was glenn beck ordered by the NWO to back off the "FEMA camps are real!" topic or was he just playing the bait and switch trick that alex jones claims on his show?
from the original link:
http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,ite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 14534.aspx
quote of the description in the link:
Glenn Beck discovered that the FEMA CAMPS (PRISONS) were REAL,and was going to do a show about it. Then he got a call from the NWO... ***************************** UPDATE! Click on the link below to watch the "Revised Version" of this video called: "Glenn Beck Threatened By NWO! (SPECIAL EDITION)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQmNTUOwiRk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Trust me...You do NOT want to miss it!!! lol ***************************** "We ARE a country that is headed towards SOCIALISM,TOTALITARIANISM,beyond your WILDEST IMAGINATION"! - Glenn Beck in the morning "I wanted to debunk these FEMA CAMPS (PRISONS) .Well we’ve now - for SEVERAL DAYS - done research on them.I CAN'T DEBUNK THEM"! - Glenn Beck in the morning... "There's SOMETHING going on in OUR COUNTRY that...is..ah....AIN'T GOOD"! - Glenn Beck "These are ACTUAL PRISONS that were built under the Bush Administration" - Glenn Beck "And these FEMA CAMPS are ALL OVER THE U.S."? - Gretchen Carlson "YES" - Glenn Beck "And they're ALL EMPTY"? - Gretchen Carlson "YEAH...YEAH"! - Glenn Beck "I tell you...Just...SOMETHING doesn't sit right with me" -Glenn Beck (Still in the Morning on "Fox and Friends")... After being THREATENED by the NWO! ( Illuminati)... (With either his job,or the lives of his wife and kids)... "I don't believe in the FEMA PRISONS"! ("They're MAKING me say this...HELP"!) - Glenn Beck in the evening... Oh Glenn Beck is still going to do a show about it...but...(After being THREATENED BY THE NWO) it is NOW going to be a "DEBUNKING" SHOW! (In other words...He's going to forget about all of the EVIDENCE he uncovered and LIE TO YOU about the FEMA PRISONS!)... Remember...He said "These are ACTUAL PRISONS"...He did NOT say "Allegedly",or "Rumored to be"...etc and even when Gretchen Carlson asked... "And these FEMA CAMPS are ALL OVER THE U.S."? Glenn said: "YEAH"! (TWICE!) Note: He saw the video footage,pictures - (They are all over the internet) - and legislature (Laws) about these "PRISONS",and perhaps his team even stepped foot into one of them during their "SEVERAL DAYS" of research,because you could tell that he was SCARED TO DEATH that morning on "Fox and Friends"... Go ahead...Watch it again and see for yourself the BIG "180" degree turn he does on this story! (There's only two possible explanations for this folks.Either he's... A. An NWO "Shill" (He works FOR them) or B. He was THREATENED BY THE NWO! (To "Change his tune" or ELSE!) (Because there is NO DOUBT that the FEMA PRISONS are ABSOLUTELY REAL!!! Research it FOR YOURSELF!!!) You can start here... "PROOF THAT THE FEMA CAMPS EXIST"! (Link below) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEe9-XAGAE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Note: The link (above) includes information on how to obtain *OFFICIAL U.S. ARMY DOCUMENTS on FEMA PRISONS!!! (Someone should send THOSE - or even THIS VIDEO - to Glenn Beck BEFORE he does his so-called "Debunking" show!!!) Here is MORE PROOF!!! (Including VIDEO FOOTAGE of The FEMA PRISONS!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0ZOutOJyE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; And yet even MORE PROOF!!! (Classified!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpXh7DCptaQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO PROVE ME WRONG ABOUT THIS!!! I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTE: Just in case you may not be aware of this.These "FEMA PRISONS" are for AMERICAN CITIZENS who don't "Go Along" with the "NWO" (New World Order).Those who won't "Give up their guns",or take "The Microchip"...etc... In other words...These "FEMA PRISONS" are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy! "Fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.But BEFORE all these,THEY shall lay their hands on you,and persecute you,delivering you up to the synagogues,and into PRISONS" - Jesus Christ (Luke 21:12) Under "The Patriot Act" you can be killed without trial or jury... "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,and brethren,and kinsfolks,and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to DEATH" - Jesus Christ (Luke 21:16) April fools??? NOT! "Who-WHO will watch The Watchmen"? OwlMan NOTE: Download this video directly from "RapidShare" before it get's DELETED! http://rapidshare.com/files/216382215/G" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... _.wmv.html
I reckon Glenn was approached by the reptoids to shut up even if he was only joking about it. His original views seemed kinda genuine and he was worried and then and then he suddenly went disinfo after that. Why would he say that they are "they are making me say this?" Could it have been him joking, or has his family been given death threats?

Anyway this just show how powerful the illuminati is and how entertainment and news is able to be manipulated. Sure there are going to be lot of fake reptilian hoaxers out there to discredit the topic of possible alien infiltration into human positions and meddling in earth's affairs, but perhaps there is more than one truth. (he is genuinely concerned for the public at first, but now forced to become "one of them" like when people get bitten by a zombie or a vampire and must serve as one of the monsters to spread the disease and serve the dark side)

As you can imagine there would be those who want to resist this but can't do anything even if they wanted to because they are puppets forced into situations out of their own control.
Of course it could just be that they need ratings desperately and looking for some people to scare the shit out of to induce more fear, but it is interesting to see how the attitude changed so suddenly. It's like when darth vader hesitates a little bit to kill luke when ordered to by the emperor. At some point people are going to have a limit and eventually decide "enough is enough".


Youtube links to alex jones view on the fema camps :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEe9-XAGAE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d_PwUK1X5k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKlZJuOlEMc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMtTL-jyW24" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think he needs to be more patient and calm. The reason people are scared is becase they are going through the shock phase. They can't see the pyramid within the pyramid because it's been made to be invisible. Not because people are dumb, just that the moves are slow and gradual. They just haven't had time to think about it and it's not made obvious.

Also message to beck: don't trust popular mechanics there are spooks who have taken control over control of it just like your show. (I think he knows this deep down inside since he got the threat to obey)

Sauron from X-men absorbing energy:
True power will be judged on your ability to resist thier ancient magick so that they can't use yur powers against you. This is why it's so hard to find worthy warriors. It's a battle of 'wills' and willpower, just like in the rpgs where you must put on strong magick armour, or "holy" armor to the priest class in order to survive. Obama is basically in the same position storm is in. In the matrix movie you'll note there were a lot of black guys who managed to break the programming because they could accept the shittier world on the outside. That's possibly why they chose obama because to the liberals he is this shamanic great savior to fight the "white men" and end corruption.

....But what if the reptilians took control of that power the way Sauron did to Storm in X-men and use it against the public in negative ways? Huh? Do you see where I'm going with this? What good is the power if you can't direct it in positive ways and instead you end up making the problem worse? That's why man: have strong spiritual power to resist the reptoids magick spell which is designed to prey on spiritual weakness. See when you "die" to this world, the pure form of you will be baptised into a new body and you can come back discovered the secrets the bad guys don't want you to have. The bad guy interprets things in negative sense: wanting to control things using the power, so as to abuse thsoe who don't have it. The good want to break the effect power has on them which is why it's important not to trap yourself into desiring their offerrings. Not so many can suceed in doing that, (both political parties are guilty) which is why so much paranoia and lack of trust in the world.
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Here is my view: if the black man can help teach the whites how to escape the matrix, maybe there would be a way to win the spiritual battle of good vs evil:
Slavery is slavery. There is a little bit of negro in all of you. The blacks should stop thinking the whities are your enemy and claiming racism. Remember all the isms were created by the reptoids to divide. Black people can't win without help from whites. Stop fighting over stupid shit, arguing over details and get your shit together. We need to get someone like oprah winfrey to help people fight for freedoms, perhaps getting her money to work for the blacks and whites who feel they are going to be deliberately impoverished by the elites. The rich need to understand that you guys are being targeted to. It's just a matter of time so if you don't pull your energy together you will be all fucked over by reptoids who are laughing their asses off at how easy it was.
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Looked around for an old bookmark I had on the topic of freemen which I thought I had lost. Dug it up:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthre" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... #post12170

Might be of interest for those who wish to exit from the big cage that has been built around them and to grasp some level of freedom. Understand your power first by awakening (maybe read some icke books first) then watch those vids. :up:

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Couldn't get this one working in the old link above so I'll repost it in another post (it was an old link so some of the vids may be using out of date links):

"The Occult World Of Comerce"
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Jordan and Jason Whitney discuss the origins of our system of commerce. Why america was never really free.
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Note: I would watch the freeman videos stuff before watching this first. (less emphasis on history lessons, goes straight to the practical and is funnier. Also David Icke seems to put things into world perspective linking things together like a puzzle first so you know why the pyramids symbols are put there and how it is used to mind control us through compartmentalisation of the knowledge; allowing the innocent people to be ignorant recuits in a larger organisation doing evil things, completely unaware of the conspiracy themselves, and fighting those who accuse them of being part of one because of this compartmentalisation of knowledge handed down to them to keep them unaware...so start with that first)

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alternatively you can dowload this here
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If the average joe could break the chains of enslavement by understanding the codes, and words, and terms, true meanings, they might have less reason to hate and destroy and participate in wars which disturb peace. This is the challenge sheople must go through: first accept you may be inside the cage to aknowledge you are not free, secondly make steps to gain the knowledge that is hidden and camoflaged, thirdly free the next guy (your children) so you don't rape other nations with more whining to the government to protect you when all they will do is put new expensive chains on you instead of you just self-governning and being responsible for your own actions such as apologising to your fellow when wrong, and choosing to make amends peacefully instead of using courts/guns/anger and wasting your own energy and asking big brother to take over control of you and manpulating you into slavery status. You have powers you don't know you have like the alien in Abe's Odyssey or Neo in the Matrix.. It's your resposibility to use them not expect to have tricky and sneaky guys to educate you about them (due to laziness, being distracted by tv, lack of effort on your part, seperating you into groups: man vs woman, black vs white, rich vs poor, race vs race, religious vs non-religious, child vs parent etc to start fights to sap your energy) when all they want to do is use and profit from you.
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Wow look at this:
Looks like the crowd is finally waking the MSM to the reality of what's happening here: Both sides screwing things up making it necesary to hold the leader (no matter what they appear to be on the surface) accountable for once.

We need something like that to get the R rating for games and remove the internet censorship here in australia. Doesn't matter what side you supported, nobody wants it, your money shouldn't be spent on it, so unite with everyone to fight against it. We can't allow the blind to lead the blind or we'll all fall off the cliff and die. Both sides are in this together. No time to bullshit around and argue over stupid little differences that cost you both a loss in the end. Crack the human shell you lived in for so long (the hive mind groups you label yourself as and identified with) and begin to see the bigger picture and finally acknowledge what's really at stake. (there are multiple doomed futures just like in the terminator movies, each one sucking as bad the previous which was luckily prevented)
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Out of all the high profile truthers out there, Jordan Maxwell is my bet for the next suss death. He is a dead man walking imo.
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So here we go with Swine flu. What's your take GH? Real threat, False Flag or something more complex? The beginning of global depopulation?



I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's work, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.'

Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.

You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:
"I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"
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swine flu = another problem reaction solution.

Mission Impossible 2.

They need money.

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here is another interesting project camelot interview:
Project Camelot interviews Joseph Farrell
Nazi International:
The title of this interview, Nazi International, refers to Joseph Farrell's most recent book, in which he details - as do Camelot witnesses Jim Marrs and Peter Levenda, and many other researchers (including Jim Keith, who died in unusual circumstances and to whom we pay tribute here) - how the Nazis were experimenting with technology extremely advanced for their time, and how many Nazi scientists, evaluated as being valuable resources for post-war America, were repatriated to the US under Project Paperclip.

We first heard of Joseph Farrell from Richard Hoagland - and soon after from Nick Cook, the author of The Hunt for Zero Point. Farrell, like Peter Levenda, is essentially an academic: a document researcher who digs deep into historical detail and has become fascinated, as many others have, with the hidden history of the Third Reich. He has continued Igor Witkowski's and Nick Cook's research into the enigmatic Nazi Bell: an experimental device, classified at the highest level, that seems to have been used to investigate time distortion effects or antigravity - very possibly both - based on the beginnings of theoretical torsion physics that was being developed in the 1920s and 1930s by a number of brilliant European scientists, themselves very much ahead of their time.

In this interview, Bill Ryan takes the lead and talks with Joseph Farrell in some depth about his work. The interview takes the viewer on a journey which starts before the Second World War, and explores just what German scientists may have been doing in great secret, with the full support of the SS. And, as the title of the video indicates, the story by no means ends there. This video may be of considerable interest to students of wartime advanced technology, and of the hidden history of the Third Reich.
explains how german scientists were given more freedom to be open minded. How they studied the occult (they mention the ancient 'Vimanas' which were legendary flying vehicles in ancient times) to try to come up with ways to make new experimental weapons. It also mentions the stuff about NASA nazi scientists, and the idea of there being two programs: one for public consumption and the hidden one. How the US is possibly being blackmailed. (maybe ron paul can get to the bottom of this all?)

I bet this Bell thing is linked to UFO or saucer shaped craft. Perhaps the 'foo fighters' were not ET, but just secret weapons. Or that the ETs were a beings that could come about through knowledge in the occult to give them clues as to get them thinking in the right direction.
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Interesting debate here TE on the meaning of the second amendment:
Who cares whose interpretation is right? Why take away the guns when it's totally unnecessary?
What needs to be done is lessening america's involvement in other countries and the government rewarding itself for failing to catch the bad guys (which they themselves trained!) through them giving them increased powers to spy on innocent people without any reason to suspect? (and then torturing. They have not even properly declared war on anyone. It's all illegal)

tsk tsk The more rights you take from the hand that feeds you, the more suspicious the public is going to get and more dangerous you make the country as the actual criminals start to pick on those who can't defend themself. (And liberals: don't say that "you can go and learn martial arts to defend", it's not the same thing because 1. it gets defeated by a gun which a violent assassin or criminal will use, 2. you have to be fit and devoted, and 3. as if people are going to waste time doing that when they don't have to - expecting an old man to perform a spinning kick to the neck to make them fall unconscious like in the hollywood movies is just not reasonable. Guns are safer)

Like with internet censorship the government will just go ahead regardless of what the people they rely on wish from them. Because it's part of the NWO plan which neither leftists or rightists understand because they've been trained to seperate themselves into neat boxes. Big Government is afriad of YOU. Not of terrorist. They need the terrorists to take more privacy away from you in the same way arms manufacuters need wars (which sacrifice your children) to make money and hopefully keep them going on forever in order to keep profits flowing. Violence is violence. How can you trust people who torure to be able to stop gun violence? You can't because there will alway be some evil guy lurking around somewhere. Best to allow people to protect themselves without government intervention in cases where they can't handle the job properly due to incompetence or just not caring. Can't you see that you are all on the SAME team even though you both care about different freedoms?

What we need is to get many people who don't believe in the NWO to stay on earth while those who want to control stuff get to go to space and control a different planet as an experiment to see who lasts longer and who prospers more based on thier way of doing things. Seriously throwing away all the power and concentrating it all into the hands of less people is the surest way to death. It increases the chance of irreversible damage to earth and failure of the human race because so much of the decision is put into so few who only serve thier self interest. (some outside source is manipulating them, and their secret oaths to the various satanic secret societies they are involved with supercedes any loyalty to the people they should be serving)

If people can't agree on what is just and right in the world it's time to get some of those who disagree to arrange to have them live somewhere else where we can both be happy and they can learn from their own mistakes and errors by seeing how their own ideas can be proven to us to be better than what already exists. If you can prove it works then more power to you. But unfortunately your ideas already failed in past because they were rooted in evil and peope are mostly good in nature.

On history of gun confiscation:
You must prove your ideas are worthy of even considering before you can make broad claims about feeling safer without rights to defend yourself. (which is what a gun can do if the police can't get there on time - of course it might vary as technology changes - eg high tech teleportation devices which we sadly don't have yet)

Chris don't give them ideas: :D
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here is something all anti-gun groups need to watch so you understand the differences between the different gun types.
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I think the news media need to take responsibility and not mislabel things just as they've done with gamers who play violent games and then call them "violent gamers". The ordinary joe who never plays games is going to think: "Are the gamers violent because the violent game makes them violent? Or do they mean gamers who just like to play violent games like people who read violent torture porn horror movie or buy violent comic books without being violent people?"

You see how scary certain words can get when you put them in certain combinations together? The media has to be careful with words. The misunderstandings can create fear and then panic, and the panic results in people generating irrational stereotypes that are not realistic. The mainstream media has lost a lot of credibility due to this. In the case of guns they will use the word assault to make it sound evil and bad, and not the correct technical usage of the word which means "streams of bullets coming out". It's important not to confuse a "weapon used to assult someone" with assault rifle which is fully auto. Yes it might seem "pedantic" to those who don't know the obvious, but never take for granted how the words can be deliberately misused to generate fear. The media sometimes needs to overhype shit to sell the story ("Doom is a killing simulator giving school shooters skills to kill people!") and get your attention and also to attack the side of politics it is against.

This is why you got crazy people like Jack Thompson trying to link people who like the violent games (you might like to call them violent gamer) with "violent gamers" (a pyscho who played a game and went to school and killed people). Once they make that link, they can then demonise the industry and force and ban things that should not be banned. It's only banned because of uneducated idiots confusing people.
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