View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently 25 Nov 2017 03:26 pm



Reply to topic  [ 602 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 ... 25  Next
 All purpose UFC/MMA thread 
Author Message
a bad sheriff
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 06:28 am
Posts: 3672
Location: Melbourne
Gamertag: megaman 2k7
PSN ID: mm2k8
Anyone going to UFC Brisbane?

_________________
Image


04 Oct 2013 07:41 pm
Profile
Boundless Generosity
Boundless Generosity
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 07:51 am
Posts: 18671
Location: Brisbane
Gamertag: GreyWizzard
PSN ID: Grey_AU
At my first live MMA match. Just a local event, mostly Queenslanders.

It's all pretty awesome and entertaining. Really different seeing it live, especially sitting cageside.

I came because it is my friend's daughters first amateur match. It was pretty hard to watch, you have this disconnect with all fighters so it's all entertainment. But my friend's daughter... You know her, and you feel all the hits. She lost, and it was really sad and crushing. I'm still going to follow and support her and try to get to her matches, but fuck me is it hard to watch when you know them.

_________________
Image

MK Fatality Retrospective


19 Oct 2013 06:56 pm
Profile
BLD4LBE
BLD4LBE
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 10:54 am
Posts: 4070
You should let her practice her submissions on you :D

_________________
Vzzzbx, you lose again!


20 Oct 2013 11:14 am
Profile
BLD4LBE
BLD4LBE
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 10:54 am
Posts: 4070
Sanchez vs Melendez oh man what a fight.

_________________
Vzzzbx, you lose again!


20 Oct 2013 01:15 pm
Profile
Elite Ginger
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 08:41 am
Posts: 19189
This whole event has been 5-stars, but Melendez v Sanchez is an all-time great fight.


20 Oct 2013 01:18 pm
Profile
Late onset ADHD
Late onset ADHD
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 10:53 pm
Posts: 4651
Location: The Milky Way
Gamertag: AgOnNy
PSN ID: AgOnNy
Mii: AgOnNy
Steam ID: AgOnNy
Agree, great event. I find it a shame that JDS didn't win though. Not knocking Cain's abilities by any means, but find him to be a little boring. Doesn't even say anything meaningful when he talks. Just straight edged all the way.


21 Oct 2013 06:32 am
Profile WWW
Late onset ADHD
Late onset ADHD
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 10:53 pm
Posts: 4651
Location: The Milky Way
Gamertag: AgOnNy
PSN ID: AgOnNy
Mii: AgOnNy
Steam ID: AgOnNy
So, GSP or Hendricks?

I presonally believe you need to beat the champ and feel that Hendricks matched GSP. He may have made him look worse, but we've see guys that have significant scar tissue & prone to cuts in the past.

I think GSP should do the rematch & decide then and there if he's done. None of this 'take some time off' crap.


17 Nov 2013 06:00 pm
Profile WWW
a bad sheriff
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 06:28 am
Posts: 3672
Location: Melbourne
Gamertag: megaman 2k7
PSN ID: mm2k8
I had Hendricks up 3 rounds to 2.

_________________
Image


17 Nov 2013 06:45 pm
Profile
Elite Ginger
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 08:41 am
Posts: 19189
Serious question? Hendricks at LEAST 3 rounds to 2, maybe even 4 rounds to 1, but either way he won that fight.

Judging is going to bring MMA undone like it has boxing.


17 Nov 2013 08:13 pm
Profile
unregistered
unregistered
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 01:52 am
Posts: 9492
Location: Wollongong, NSW
Gamertag: sproglobber
PSN ID: lol... fuck PSN!
Dana white looked furious


17 Nov 2013 08:23 pm
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Hendricks tapped!

Most people had Hendricks 3-2 but one round as close and Hendricks didn’t finish well which often leaves an impression. It’s natural that judges will favour the entrenched champion in any close points situation, so while Hendricks likely won you gotta beat the champ don’t leave it up to the judges etc. Against a champ who has been champ for ages you need to either finish or make it so completely one sided that it would be blatantly hilarious for the judges to rule against you – any wiggle room and this is the risk you take. So I think Hendricks can be disappointed but shouldn’t whinge because he has himself to blame at least partially.


18 Nov 2013 09:05 am
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Also, I’m not big on a rematch if GSP genuinely wants to retire. Let him relinquish the belt and let Hendricks win it naturally from there. Why should GSP feel obligated to fight again if he wants to retire? And what happens if the next fight is also a close decision? Either to Hendricks or GSP – do we then need a Frankie Edgar / Gray Maynard type trilogy holding up the division? When can GSP retire? Only after he’s been ritualistically knocked out to our satisfaction? That result is on the books no matter what happens now, so I’d just let things unfold naturally – if GSP retires then someone else wins the belt. If GSP comes back then let him work his way to a title shot like everyone else.


18 Nov 2013 09:27 am
Profile
Elite Ginger
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 08:41 am
Posts: 19189
It's either GSP vs Hendricks 2, or Hendricks vs the winner of Condit and Brown.


18 Nov 2013 10:44 am
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
I think this article on Sports Illustrated is worth a read. It’s particularly sad to me after hearing of GSP’s mental issues of late that people would be demanding that he get back in the ring so he can be knocked out good and proper. He’s been a model champion whether you like his style or not, and he deserves better treatment. I’d rather thank him for all he has done and move on. Put the title up for grabs and see what happens with GSP down the track. He owes me as a fan and Dana as a fuckwit nothing at all.

It's not a party until someone embarrasses himself, right? Well, Saturday night's gala in Las Vegas, a celebration of the 20th anniversary of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, was soured late in the evening by a mortifying display.

I'm not referring to the imperfect, though courageous showing by Georges St-Pierre, who was far from his dominant self in being battered -- somewhat senseless, we would learn afterward -- in a roundly criticized split-decision win over Johny Hendricks. The slim victory allowed the 32-year-old to walk out of the octagon still in possession of the welterweight championship belt he's worn for going on six years.

I'm not talking about the job done by cageside judges Sal D'Amato and Tony Weeks, either. You might have a bone to pick with their 48-47 scorecards in St-Pierre's favor, but if you do, you likely didn't see the bout much differently from Glen Trowbridge, whose scorecard had the same numbers but in Hendricks' favor. A decision that swings upon a single tightly contested round does not warrant Armageddon outrage.

No, the most ghastly performance of the night was turned in by Dana White, the loquacious and unfiltered UFC president, who was at his most crass and petulant in the aftermath of Saturday's main event.

White's late-night rant against the Nevada State Athletic Commission -- its judging, its refereeing, its brazen disregard for him and all he does for mixed martial arts -- was astoundingly over the top, and unless it was all hot air, it might have a longterm impact on the sport. The blustery promoter did intimate, after all, that he's "scared to come back here and do fights." By "here" he meant Las Vegas, the UFC's hometown and site of seven of the promotion's 33 events in 2013. How does that bode for 2014?

But it was while addressing a different aspect of his business that White stepped over the line, showing a callous disregard for a troubled champion. It would have been shameful for the promoter to speak of any fighter the way he did, but for the UFC boss to act so despicably toward a man who has played a significant role in making his company a success was scandalous.

Georges St-Pierre had just had his hand raised and the hefty belt affixed around his waist, and as he stood at the center of the cage being interviewed by Joe Rogan, he looked a mess. There were cuts below both eyes, abrasions everywhere you could see -- from forehead to lips to bridge of the nose. His eyes were glassy, and he was blinking as if searching for focus he'd misplaced somewhere but couldn't recall where.

After answering a couple of questions about the fight, speaking of how he couldn't see out of his right eye at one point and had lost his memory -- "Imagine how tough it was" -- the champ grabbed for the microphone and appeared to well up with emotion. "I have a bunch of stuff in my life happening," he said. "I need to hang up my gloves for a little bit." Gently probed by Rogan as to whether this was a retirement announcement, St-Pierre would only say, "I have to go away for a little bit at least."

It was a cryptic message, spoken with humility and fragility. It was met by a bull in a china shop.

"GSP will not retire. He will not retire after that fight," White fumed minutes later, with agitation and defiance in his voice, as he was interviewed on the Fox postfight show. "He owes it to the fans, he owes it to this company and he owes it to Johny Hendricks to come in and do that fight again."

Interesting to hear that from a promoter who has said many times in the past that he would never stand in the way of a fighter who feels it's time to retire. White acknowledged as much a short time later at the press conference, although other than pointing out that St-Pierre putting his career on hiatus was not a true retirement, the UFC president did not soften his stance. He just added a dose of sarcasm.

"There's no 'Hey, listen, I'm going to go on a cruise.' 'I'm going to be gone for two years.' 'I'm going to take a hiatus.' 'I'm going to take a leave of absence.' Whatever the hell it was that he was saying," said White. "That's not how it works. It doesn't work that way."

It does work that way, though, at least for an athlete at St-Pierre's level within the game. GSP is not some prelim fighter whom White can bully into walking the line. If Georges feels the need for time off, he can step away and there'll be fights waiting for him when he chooses to come back ... if he chooses to come back. It's within the right of the UFC to strip him of the welterweight belt, of course, but demand that he fight? No.

What was especially troubling about White's diatribe was that the UFC poobah seemed to have no context for ridiculing his champion. When a reporter asked if he thought it would have been wise to first learn what was troubling GSP, White didn't pause for even a moment to think over the question. "No, it wouldn't," he snapped. "Because here's the thing: Let's say he had health problems or something like that; he wouldn't be fighting if he had health problems."

Had White not just heard St-Pierre speak of experiencing blurred vision and memory loss during the fight? It wasn't the first time the champ had mentioned having problems with one of his eyes. And do mental health issues count? Didn't the boss hear the confusion and melancholy in the fighter's voice?

Apparently not. Perhaps White was too busy working on his comic interpretation of what the UFC might be like if a big baby like GSP were its president. "Hey, guess what, Lorenzo: I'll see you in a year and half," he said mockingly, play-acting a theoretical conversation with Lorenzo Fertitta, the fight promotion's CEO and part-owner. "I'm going to [expletive] take off for a while. I got some [expletive] to do."

The caustic and ugly rhetoric toned down a bit once St-Pierre showed up for the latter part of the press conference. As the fighter spoke, though, his haziness came more and more to the surface, and it seemed not to stem entirely from the brutal fight that had ended an hour earlier. "I can't sleep at night now," said St-Pierre at one point. "I'm going crazy. I have issues, man. I need to relax. I need to get out for a while, you know? I don't know what I'm going to do."

It was a telling moment, made more so by White turning bully again. The fighter wasn't the target this time, though. The alpha dog promoter cut off a reporter's query for St-Pierre and instructed the assembled press to not ask GSP anything more about what had prompted his hiatus announcement. "He doesn't want to answer that question," said White, whereupon the press corps dutifully dropped the matter. That the MMA media would allow itself to be intimidated shouldn't come as a surprise considering that one of White's earlier comments about the Nevada commission actually had drawn applause. At a press conference. Yeesh.

White is charming and engaging, for the most part, in his interactions with those of us who cover MMA. He is accessible in a way that no other sport's big cheese has ever been. He's a promoter and he knows what to say to sell a fight, to be sure, but you'll never get from White the corporate-speak that you would if you were granted an audience with Roger Goodell. In any conversation with Dana White, you're pretty much assured of squeezing an "I probably shouldn't talk about this, but ..." revelation out of him. The man makes covering this sport a lot juicier, so it's easy to understand why reporters tiptoe around him as if he were a lovable king of the jungle.

When you talk with White, one of the things that comes through loud and clear is that he's a huge fan of fights. And of fighters. Even his take on the GSP-Hendricks decision seemed to derive from that perspective. Sure, the UFC will profit if it gets to stage a rematch, but the loss of a dominant St-Pierre -- which seems to be coming about anyway, but surely would have if Hendricks had become champ -- would not be a boon to the bottom line. Yet White was upset because, in his unwavering opinion, the wrong fighter had his hand raised. He can be righteous.

It's reasonable to speculate that White's bitterness toward the Nevada commission fueled his sour mood and set in motion the St-Pierre rant. He'd never before spoken negatively about the champ. And after talking with GSP briefly following the press conference, White was more at ease when he came back into the media room for a casual sit-down with reporters. "I'm in a better mood now," he acknowledged, later adding with regard to St-Pierre: "He's obsessing over something right now that might seem like the end of the world, but it's not. ... I think everything's going to be fine. I think everything's going to roll just like it always does."

All's well that ends well, then? Not quite. White may have struck a more conciliatory tone by night's end, but his more public earlier rants -- on the Fox show and in front of press conference cameras -- don't just go away. Words matter. They mattered when Miguel Torres tweeted rape jokes. They mattered when Matt Mitrione made offensive remarks about a transgender fighter. Don't hold your breath waiting for Dana White to be fined under the UFC's Code of Conduct, but it cannot be ignored that his bullying words matter even more than the fighters' do because, when push comes to shove, White sets the tone in the world's biggest fight promotion.

Even if, in the end, White entices St-Pierre back into the cage with honey rather than vinegar, that's a dangerous road to go down. The fighter had a reason for saying he needs a break. And based on what he said, GSP shouldn't be leaned on to continue fighting, whether that persuasion comes via a bully's ridicule or a friendly arm around the shoulder that smoothes out problems that, in White's contention, "aren't as bad as he thinks they are." If there's convincing to be done, it should start with Georges St-Pierre. He should have to persuade the UFC and athletic commissions that he's in the right place, physically and mentally, to be allowed to compete again. We all heard what he said. Words do indeed matter


20 Nov 2013 11:54 am
Profile
Elite Ginger
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 08:41 am
Posts: 19189
Agreed. I think Hendricks won the fight but I don't think GSP needs to be hauled back in there for a rematch unless it's on his own schedule. The guy has been the biggest draw for the UFC since Lesnar retired and has always been a model citizen for the company.

If GSP is going to take some time off, just make an interim title fight. Hendricks/Lawler/Condit, any combination of those sound great to me.


20 Nov 2013 12:56 pm
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
What a fucken WAR by Hunt & Silva! It got pretty comically slow at the end but fuck, big shots!


07 Dec 2013 03:21 pm
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Dana tweet: "Both Hunt and Silva win FON and both get their win bonus and I might buy them both their own private ISLANDS!!! Sickest HW fight ever!!!"


07 Dec 2013 03:37 pm
Profile
unregistered
unregistered
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 01:52 am
Posts: 9492
Location: Wollongong, NSW
Gamertag: sproglobber
PSN ID: lol... fuck PSN!
So fucking good, one of the best fights I've seen, never would've thought it'd go to a decision.
Draw is the right result, shouldn't be a loser after that.


07 Dec 2013 03:48 pm
Profile
Elite Ginger
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 08:41 am
Posts: 19189
Image

:( :( :( :( :(


29 Dec 2013 03:43 pm
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Yep - what a shit way to end a career. Pretty ignoble ways for both GSP and Spider to retire this year unfortunately. :(

And for the record (from before this), Bigfoot pissed hot after that fight and Mark got given his $50k bonus money.


29 Dec 2013 03:47 pm
Profile
Late onset ADHD
Late onset ADHD
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 10:53 pm
Posts: 4651
Location: The Milky Way
Gamertag: AgOnNy
PSN ID: AgOnNy
Mii: AgOnNy
Steam ID: AgOnNy
My mate & I were both cringing watching the fight yesterday, then I burst out laughing. Not becuase it was humorous, but simply because I couldn't believe what I just saw.

Don't see him coming back from that in the 3-6mths time frame they're giving him.


30 Dec 2013 09:07 am
Profile WWW
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Wow - the NSAC (and subsequently the UFC) have banned TRT completely! Good move, though I'm guessing we might see some fights cancelled / rescheduled now (Belfort v Weidman for example).


28 Feb 2014 11:52 am
Profile
Late onset ADHD
Late onset ADHD
User avatar

Joined: 05 Jul 2006 10:53 pm
Posts: 4651
Location: The Milky Way
Gamertag: AgOnNy
PSN ID: AgOnNy
Mii: AgOnNy
Steam ID: AgOnNy
Belfort running scared without TRT, withdrew from the fight. Machida steps in.


28 Feb 2014 06:17 pm
Profile WWW
unregistered
unregistered
User avatar

Joined: 04 Jul 2006 01:52 am
Posts: 9492
Location: Wollongong, NSW
Gamertag: sproglobber
PSN ID: lol... fuck PSN!
Pariah wrote:
yeah awesome turn of events...

FINALLY ALISTAIR OVEREEM CAN JOIN THE UFC AND TEAR SHIT UP

<3 Overeem has been my favorite fighter for a long time...cant wait till UFC crowd get exposed to him





Why is overeem so godlike :rollin:



:loco:


07 Sep 2014 09:35 am
Profile
Noticeably Unintelligent
Noticeably Unintelligent
User avatar

Joined: 11 Jul 2006 09:50 am
Posts: 2860
Gamertag: Twit AU
PSN ID: KAKwit
Steam ID: KAKwit
Huntoooooo!!! Bad ass as ever.

Image


20 Sep 2014 07:40 pm
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 602 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 ... 25  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.