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This is a great site!
4. Noone else in the world is installing such a system

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Fibre-To-The-Premises or Home (FTTP/H) is currently being rolled out across Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and China
As I have said many times, China is a fantastic advertisement for the benefits of State-owned internet.
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I'm hoping they get to provide our infrastructure.
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I get worried when all you guys think about is NBN this and NBN that.

Have you not seen movies like "enemy of the state" and "Ghost in the shell?" where the internet and cyberspace is the battlefield of all the information wars and spy?

And someone mentioned china, what happens when the providers of this technology use it to gather data about everything?

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 16odq.html


Between this and the RFID chips being embedded in objects all around us I don't know which to fear more.

Thanks for waking me up in that other kinect thread Corey. :up: When kinect comes out, I have a feeling Microsoft is going to use the xbox360 to spy on gamers like the show big brother with the hidden cameras in the wall. The war for data about everyone is intensifying as companies like google log your searches, chinese military get involved in covert ops, and humans start using robot drones to do all their work so they don't have to risk their own arses when on a battlefield, making them more likely to choose violent solution to everything.

Whoever controls all this information gets to control the world's secrets, that's why there is so much need to upgrade speed. More data means more intelligence. Phear the speed, it can mean much more annoying ads, faster spam, and more-easy spying ability than before. What they want to do is increase their spy awareness(placing cameras all over the streets to intimidate you), but limit what you can see (internet filters, stopping us from using cameras on them) People without any morals will try to use this information and then blackmail the user into doing what they want, threatening to destroy their career or sell the secret to people that the person doesn't want the information to go out to, creating a slave society. (ie "Truman Show" people living inside a bubble world unaware they are starring in a movie sold to the public, with the victim being like a character in a sitcom)
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We do need faster speed, I'm just saying this NBN thing is not some life or death service.
It will just increase the size and quality of the porn you download. But apart from that, not having it doesn't mean we are doomed as a society because we are behind the times.

There are bad things as well. Corey mentioned "they" will track you and spy on you in the Kinect thread, and that reminded me to warn others in this thread here about what higher speeds can mean for those trying to track you. They might want to spy on who is at home and then that information is hacked by some cyber criminal who then can break into a home knowing there is no risks.

You don't think about these types of things because its new tech. You just say, "oh only in comic books" but tha'ts only because australians are primitive cunts and get things last.
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It's interesting to look at the Internode pricing plans for areas which have the NBN already. It's $10/month cheaper than ADSL2 for a 25Mb connection or the same price for a 50Mb connection (and $20 more for the full speed). Fuck knows why Conroy is spending his time today whining about the bias of The Australian newspaper instead of just countering the bullshit of the Libs about how much it will cost per month to access the NBN. Also it might stop those braindead morons who are 'opting out' and refusing to allow their home to be connected to the NBN.
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The guy at work who got the first nbn connection from internode can download physical items. Pretty sure he is rocking top of the line speed and hefty quota but paying the price of a standard 25mb connection.. Probably also has free fetch TV as well.

I think the point is these may be prices people are paying now but nbnco seems to be charging a one off fee of $300 for ISPS to hook in and connect a user and then it is just ongoing costs for their own backhaul. That clearly can't be final pricing as it is giving a free lunch and will have to end.

PS: Conroy is a douche and should be using these current facts ;)

Oh and also morons who are opting out and refusing are more likely to be morons who don't know or care and can't be arsed. Hence Tas govt was working on an opt out model rather than a free opt in model. I mean seriously,

NBN CO says "Here is an nbn we will run it to your house for free, you don't need to use it but if you dont get the run to your house now you will pay later"

Bogan in backwater town says: "huh? I have to sign something? my phone works fine.. piss off!"

FAIL! Opt out all the way especially if the run to the house is being provided free of charge.

Here is the problem. Fucking time to start pushing the nbn in populated areas where uptake is higher and start making some money back then force it out to the backwater towns that couldn't give a shit. God knows we are going to cover the remotest with wireless anyhow so get that sorted in parallel to keep the fuckwit independents happy.
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who in their right fucking mind would opt out of fiber?? honestly there are people that want to opt out? :lol: their loss
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fuck me...why can't i get NBN right now

btw they should be pushing the NBN to the fuck ton of people stuck on rim hell with no way out...though I heard people stuck on rims will be the next ones to get relief after the country which i'm fine with

[i'm pretty much moving house because of the shit house net on this rim...]
The guy at work who got the first nbn connection from internode can download physical items. Pretty sure he is rocking top of the line speed and hefty quota but paying the price of a standard 25mb connection.. Probably also has free fetch TV as well.
don't forget the awesome free access to astroweb usenet servers...i hope he is using usenet..he will be able to max out his connection :up:
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He will probably download everything there is to download on it anyway :laugh:

Then what?!
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Hercy wrote:It's interesting to look at the Internode pricing plans for areas which have the NBN already. It's $10/month cheaper than ADSL2 for a 25Mb connection or the same price for a 50Mb connection (and $20 more for the full speed). Fuck knows why Conroy is spending his time today whining about the bias of The Australian newspaper instead of just countering the bullshit of the Libs about how much it will cost per month to access the NBN. Also it might stop those braindead morons who are 'opting out' and refusing to allow their home to be connected to the NBN.
Turnbull has been a complete fuckwit with pricing misinformation. I wish I could go on national TV and explain that the NBN's port pricing is cheaper than TW's wholesale port and that Turnbull assumes that ISPs are going to tack on $25/month to the port price just because it's the NBN vs the $1-2/month your ISP makes on the $29.95 and $34.95/month base rate deals.
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http://www.news.com.au/technology/only-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 5942023675
ONLY about one in 10 of the first Australians to be offered high-speed internet services under the National Broadband Network have taken up the offer.

The federal government yesterday confirmed the take-up rate in the first three Tasmanian towns to receive the NBN was less than 11 per cent, arguing it was evidence the $43 billion program was on track.

However, the Coalition said the take-up rate was "appallingly low" and that revelations that only 262 premises so far had active connections suggested the rollout was "farcical".

The government has not revealed how many of the NBN users are passing up the full 100-megabits-per-second internet speed, on offer at about $100 a month, in favour of slower speeds on cheaper packages costing $30 or $60 a month.
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Well shit it only took DSL 4 years to get to a 16% adoption rate (the first year the ABS started bothering to keeping statistics on ADSL). Does that mean Telstra's ADSL network was a farcical rollout that was doomed to failure? :rolleyes:

Fucking coalition. 11% adoption rate for 3 months of availability is warp fucking speed in the business world.

Nobody tell Turnbull that 77% of all users so far have consented to being put on the NBN.
Chief executive officer Mike Quigley told a Senate Estimates committee hearing that an average of 77 percent of residents in four of the five mainland first-release sites wanted to connect to the National Broadband Network.
Might give him a massive coronary on how badly rural areas want decent Internet.
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Talez wrote:Well shit it only took DSL 4 years to get to a 16% adoption rate (the first year the ABS started bothering to keeping statistics on ADSL). Does that mean Telstra's ADSL network was a farcical rollout that was doomed to failure?
And what year in the previous decade did that occur?
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Umm Talez telstras handling of ADSL in this country has been a massive farce actually. It was considerably over priced and shit for a long time. People were taking up better priced and performing cable back in that time. Telstra held ADSL back in this country for a loooong time.

It was only when telstra were forced to open up the exchanges/wholesale and forced to offer reasonable wholesale pricing did the adoption of ADSL take off due to competition.

Of course these numbers are no surprise, there is zero business plan behind the NBN, they've got themselves on if they think people are going to be jumping to pay $100 a month for BB. With bills going up like a rocket from power/council/water etc, people are not looking to pay 2-3 times more on their broadband just to surf facebook at no perceivable difference.
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NBN bills aren't going to be any more expensive. That's Turnbull/Liberal FUD and out-and-out bullshit based on false assumptions. The wholesale price of an NBN port is the same price as Telstra for a 256kbps ADSL port.

If anything, as indicated by pricing from iiNet and Internode, the NBN is going to make faster connectivity at the same if not cheaper pricing than current.
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lestat wrote:Umm Talez telstras handling of ADSL in this country has been a massive farce actually. It was considerably over priced and shit for a long time. People were taking up better priced and performing cable back in that time. Telstra held ADSL back in this country for a loooong time.

So if a business is unable to provide a pretty crucial service to a competent standard, shouldnt someone else step in (be it a government or competent competitor). If water corporations were so incompetent at providing adequate supply for something essential, then you would damn well hope that local governments would take over and get it up to scratch.

Granted, broadband is nowhere near as essential a service as water supply or a functioning health service, but its pretty damn important for the functioning of the economy as we know it.

Telstra have basically held the communications infrastructure of this country to hostage, and with the only other infrastructure company (that I'm aware of?) being optus ( :suicide: ), enough is enough.
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Talez wrote:NBN bills aren't going to be any more expensive. That's Turnbull/Liberal FUD and out-and-out bullshit based on false assumptions. The wholesale price of an NBN port is the same price as Telstra for a 256kbps ADSL port.

If anything, as indicated by pricing from iiNet and Internode, the NBN is going to make faster connectivity at the same if not cheaper pricing than current.
Awesome so you're saying tax payers will be subsidising this for a long time to come, then private resellers will make risk free profit on top of it.

Bailout generashun, socialise losses, privatise profits. :up:
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Yes they're subidising it! What private industry company could afford to invest 26 billion on its own money with a view of recouping 6% ROI over 6-7 years little alone the at least 30 year life that the NBN will have? If Telstra tried to do that their board of directors would be shot and lynched at the next AGM. Not to mention if a single private company was doing this they'd screw people to the wall in access charges. Someone's gotta pay for it eventually. Waving the "private sector will fix it" wand will result in $25/month over the port price to make their 12%.

The current system is only working because of heavy government regulatory intervention due to the copper network mostly being built with public money. There is no other way to move forward that is going to result in a fair and equitable market for all Australians and all Australian ISPs.
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Have you looked at the governments balance sheet lately? I don't think we can afford to spend money we don't have at interest of 5%. Especially when the private sector is already racked up to the eye balls in debt.

Fact is I still can't see a valid case why every household needs 100mbit internet.

I fail to see how on earth they're going to offload this on the private sector, government should be focusing on saving money to cover the gaping black hole in social security since the boomers are starting to retire.
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$662M has gone from government coffers to the NBN. Less $250M for the Regional Broadband Blackspots program. Less $50M for the Metropolitan Broadband Blackspots Program. That leaves $362M for 262 connections. Pretty expensive huh? Maybe the money has been spent on planning? No - NBNCo can't show us any significant planning. Maybe the money has been spent on technology development? No - the NBN solution is straight out of a telco equipment catalogue. GPON technology and products already exist. Maybe the money has been spent on back-end IT systems, like a finance system. No - if this were the case NBN could answer the questions. I'm guessing the money has bought bloated salaries, long lunches, cosy contracts with select vendors, and mostly pontification. NBNCo will probably take the full six weeks to answer, just because they are scared of the answers they must inevitably provide. This will all end in a Royal Commission. I'm sure they will uncover where the $43Bn number came from originally.
What a disaster, more labor waste. :down:
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lestat wrote:Have you looked at the governments balance sheet lately? I don't think we can afford to spend money we don't have at interest of 5%. Especially when the private sector is already racked up to the eye balls in debt.

Fact is I still can't see a valid case why every household needs 100mbit internet.

I fail to see how on earth they're going to offload this on the private sector, government should be focusing on saving money to cover the gaping black hole in social security since the boomers are starting to retire.
The net public debt at the moment is 17.6% of GDP. It's a speck compared to the rest of the world. The fact is that during periods of private industry contraction the government needs to run a structured deficit stimulating the country and nation building is an entirely legitimate way of getting citizens back to work.
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$662M has gone from government coffers to the NBN. Less $250M for the Regional Broadband Blackspots program. Less $50M for the Metropolitan Broadband Blackspots Program. That leaves $362M for 262 connections. Pretty expensive huh? Maybe the money has been spent on planning? No - NBNCo can't show us any significant planning. Maybe the money has been spent on technology development? No - the NBN solution is straight out of a telco equipment catalogue. GPON technology and products already exist. Maybe the money has been spent on back-end IT systems, like a finance system. No - if this were the case NBN could answer the questions. I'm guessing the money has bought bloated salaries, long lunches, cosy contracts with select vendors, and mostly pontification. NBNCo will probably take the full six weeks to answer, just because they are scared of the answers they must inevitably provide. This will all end in a Royal Commission. I'm sure they will uncover where the $43Bn number came from originally.
What a disaster, more labor waste. :down:
Where are you getting that from? The Howard conspiracy monthly? Rupert's Rescuing Australia Rangers?

The bulk of the NBN's funding is being used to roll out infrastructure to communities and under the streets of communities. The service has been available at retail for 3 months. During the decommissioning of the copper network your choices are going to be NBN for your PSTN or arrange your own bloody connection over wireless or a private network so a lack of customers isn't going to be an issue in the long run. To cite the "262 connections" so far in 3 months as a reason for trying to start a populist class war with some sort of image of a bourgeoisie group of Labor fat cats is so utterly misleading it borders on hysteria.

It's like the ultra right wing has nothing better to do in this country than incite the populous to revolt and actively harm itself.
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