Fuck off summer (and winter)

[Madmya]

It's quite funny, yesterday we had no rain forecast for Brisbane at all and out of nowhere Brisbane City records 130.4mm and breaks records

Well done BoM!

[Froggy]

The Sydney bush fires are caused by climate change group think that has sprung up is bizarre. The inability to think logically about it and just blame something that has never actually been able to be proven at all besides by computer models just shows how astounding scientific literacy is in the community. I'm not surprised by the crowd pushing it plus all the people sad about the election jumping on thinking it's a winner.

You are currently living through what happened to Vic in 09 and what will happen I think in SA sometime soon. When you expand the urban boundaries out and then do not continue land clearing and fire prevention strategies used basically since settlement because of the worry about upsetting the ecosystem you get what you have now. Now you have zero ecosystem left nor environment to worry about preserving and you also had a bunch of people living in areas that would be guaranteed to be in a fire on a regular interval say 1/30 years. Remember how the flooding in queensland flooded a whole bunch of houses because since the last big flood in a known flood area they had build it up with urban development and done nothing about the flood risk, that place was I think off the top of my head a 1/30 or 1/50 year flood plain and wallah it happened again. Instead of actually addressing why the people who are largely responsible for the land management direction that's been taking the last 25 years would rather blame climate change.

SA is asking for it next, massive development of the urban fringe with no clearing or vegetation management beyond superficial clearance due to the greenies and there's a massive amount of homes that are gonna go.

And yes Cletus is right, those hot years stats are bullshit. Australia's BOM's record management flies in the face of international standards and is a closed shop. The actual science went a long time ago from the government bureaus and can probably be linked back to James Hansen and the complete joke he turned NASA into.

[Froggy]

Might add it's been refreshingly fucking cold in SA this December.. was forecast to not get past about 25 a few days ago but now we are getting hit with some hot next week. It's been like an extended spring which has been great, been able to do everything without worrying about being burnt. On the flipside it hasn't felt that Christmassy yet coz the weathers been so unseasonably cold

[stanard]

The Sydney bush fires are caused by climate change group think that has sprung up is bizarre. The inability to think logically about it and just blame something that has never actually been able to be proven at all besides by computer models just shows how astounding scientific literacy is in the community. I'm not surprised by the crowd pushing it plus all the people sad about the election jumping on thinking it's a winner.

You are currently living through what happened to Vic in 09 and what will happen I think in SA sometime soon. When you expand the urban boundaries out and then do not continue land clearing and fire prevention strategies used basically since settlement because of the worry about upsetting the ecosystem you get what you have now. Now you have zero ecosystem left nor environment to worry about preserving and you also had a bunch of people living in areas that would be guaranteed to be in a fire on a regular interval say 1/30 years. Remember how the flooding in queensland flooded a whole bunch of houses because since the last big flood in a known flood area they had build it up with urban development and done nothing about the flood risk, that place was I think off the top of my head a 1/30 or 1/50 year flood plain and wallah it happened again. Instead of actually addressing why the people who are largely responsible for the land management direction that's been taking the last 25 years would rather blame climate change.

SA is asking for it next, massive development of the urban fringe with no clearing or vegetation management beyond superficial clearance due to the greenies and there's a massive amount of homes that are gonna go.

And yes Cletus is right, those hot years stats are bullshit. Australia's BOM's record management flies in the face of international standards and is a closed shop. The actual science went a long time ago from the government bureaus and can probably be linked back to James Hansen and the complete joke he turned NASA into.

Lol f me, the current NSW fires are nothing like the Black Saturday fires. They were extremely intense with a high loss of life while the NSW fires are on a scale that hasn't really been seen before.

The Gospers Mtn and connected fires alone are over 600,000 hectares in size, and has been burning since mid October. I've heard firies referring to it as the 'fire that will eat Sydney'. This one along with the Green Wattle Creek fire (over 130,000 ha) are NOT on the urban fringe, rather they are in heavily forested areas that have never really burnt, have fuck all access and are not realistically viable for fuel reduction burns due to the sheer size of the areas.

Our main water supply will be fucked up from the Green Wattle Creek if it rains heavily (which of course we need to put the fires out lol), we're already on stage 2 water restrictions and there's no proper rain predicted for months. I've been hearing reports of less than 90 days water supply if we don't get any proper rain in the catchments.

And that's not even talking about the fires up north which are even bigger.

People who say these fires are caused by climate change are indeed idiots - rather they have been heavily exacerbated by it. But yep business as usual, the firies want to be there after all.

[guttermouth]

Victoria had massive water shortage a few years back, water restrictions and so on last for a couple years. Government decided to build a massive desalination plant. By the time they finished, water restrictions where lifted and plenty of water for all. Since the plant was finished it hasn't been needed or turned on

[stanard]

Same thing happened here ages ago and everybody complained. But guess what now it's been turned on and being used. Will only help out about 30-40% of Sydney if we actually run out of water in Warragamba Dam or if it gets heavily contaminated but hey it's something.

[Ambrose Burnside]

Perth set a new record for consecutive days above 40 in December, and that weather's heading east. Sorry everyone. BOM might be wrong and last year might been worse, their record management is bad something something NASA, so hopefully it'll be OK. But it seems we're on track for a Hottest. Day. Ever. When significant parts of the country are on fire

Man making things worse (yes, I know that's ridiculously fucking simplified) is as close to a scientific consensus as you're ever going to get. And of course there's other things contributing to it all, like land and water management fuck ups. Nobody I've seen has said otherwise. I don't venture to the edges of the internet and assume what's there is what normal people think, so haven't seen it. I don't understand the deniers. Claim it's all made up and a big conspiracy (that benefits ... no one?) and "it's been quite nice in Adelaide" lol

Like anti-vaxxers and their "well my little Denim Sunflower isn't sick so don't inject her with autism" BS.

Nothing wrong with being sceptical but far out.

Ah well. Merry Christmas ya filthy animals! Heading back to the office where it's cooler.

[Peppermint Lounge]

Morrison going on hols to Hawaii. He must think he’s indestructible. Maybe Dutton convinced him it’s a good idea.

[stanard]

Well in Morrison's worldview he deserves his Hawaii trip as God's reward, and those who are burning also deserve it as God's punishment.

[Froggy]

Perth set a new record for consecutive days above 40 in December, and that weather's heading east. Sorry everyone. BOM might be wrong and last year might been worse, their record management is bad something something NASA, so hopefully it'll be OK. But it seems we're on track for a Hottest. Day. Ever. When significant parts of the country are on fire

Man making things worse (yes, I know that's ridiculously fucking simplified) is as close to a scientific consensus as you're ever going to get. And of course there's other things contributing to it all, like land and water management fuck ups. Nobody I've seen has said otherwise. I don't venture to the edges of the internet and assume what's there is what normal people think, so haven't seen it. I don't understand the deniers. Claim it's all made up and a big conspiracy (that benefits ... no one?) and "it's been quite nice in Adelaide" lol

Like anti-vaxxers and their "well my little Denim Sunflower isn't sick so don't inject her with autism" BS.

Nothing wrong with being sceptical but far out.

Ah well. Merry Christmas ya filthy animals! Heading back to the office where it's cooler.

You realise there's no consensus because there is no actual proof right? There are more goes in the theory than Swiss cheese but it has become a religion so like all of them once someone's a believer all it takes is some confirmation bias and it still gonna be end times unless we all repent.

Record early snow fall in 25 usa states this December which I guess means by your bar it is confirmed by consensus that global cooling is hapoening

Most likely you would argue that now due to climate change it's going to be colder and now more in North America that is until they have a warmer start to winter then snow will become something only our kids can dream about due to gloval warning.

Not sure where the notion that the Earth's climate was stable in a set temperature span came from.

[guttermouth]

It's like a Religion and Gretta is their Prophet

[Peppermint Lounge]

You realise there's no consensus because there is no actual proof right? There are more goes in the theory than Swiss cheese but it has become a religion so like all of them once someone's a believer all it takes is some confirmation bias and it still gonna be end times unless we all repent.

We've been banging on about this for years and you're as hard against AGW theory as you were 5-10 years ago. I read above and I just dunno. What is there no proof for? Scientists have known about the effects of greenhouse gasses for over a century. We know they warm the Earth and it would be uninhabitable without them. We know increased CO2 concentrations increase temperature. We know CO2 concentration has nearly doubled this last century. We know human CO2 emissions correlate with this increased concentration. The amount of CO2 in the air has gone past 400ppm for the first time in thousands of years. The past years have been the hottest on record.

Where's the leap of faith to justify your (and others) claims that AGW is a religion? And I'm talking just science here, not the dumb exaggerations emanating from activists and some politicians who still believe trying to shock people with claims the world will end in 12 years will work. The sooner they realise their tactics have the opposite effect the better.

Can't imagine this post will carry any more weight than my dozens of previous posts on the subject so will close with Merry Christmas.

[Froggy]

The theory doesn't hold up hence all the contention. We have the hottest years on record since they started adjusting all the temperature sets and hiding the workings, when you artificially make the past cooler and the present warmer of course every year is going to warmer than the past. No one in the world with all the money has been able to show any scientific link between the temperature and c02. All of the models except 1 which is just hanging in there have been utterly and completely wrong. What do all the research and predictions get researched from? The models. Decades now the predictions have been completely wrong, nothing is happening that is outside of natural bounds but it's a religion as in it's taken as a position by believers that is no matter what actual observational evidence exists we are all burning to hell anyway. Despite the overwhelming evidence that it's simply not the case, all the dud predictions they just move on to the next end of world prediction.

The point earlier in this thread about how cold it's been in Adelaide, we now have had a few hot days in a row and suddenly it's all about climate change, guess what it's hot every summer. We also changed how we measure temperature so record hot and colds have been quite common everywhere in Aus the last decade due to the measurement change.

Have a Merry Christmas and don't worry about the climate.

[Peppermint Lounge]

No one in the world with all the money has been able to show any scientific link between the temperature and c02.

Again just dunno what to make of this. The greenhouse effect is standard physics published in high school text books. Greenhouse gasses keep the planet warm. Science has observed a link between temperature and CO2 for over 100 years.

[flipswitch]

It’s great waking up to 18c. It’s like yesterday never happened.

[Peppermint Lounge]

48 degrees in Penrith at 2:40pm. Anyone there?

[Vince]

48 degrees in Penrith at 2:40pm. Anyone there?

That is just insane. I have relatives who own a trophy shop in Penrith. Sad state of affairs. Meanwhile here in Melbourne I wake up to rain... and apporx 12 degrees. Melbourne please never change!!!

[lestat]

I think we need a fuck off Bush fires thread, this shit is ridiculous. Can hardly breath anymore in Sydney, the smoke is so bad.

[Peppermint Lounge]

Nah bushfires belong in this thread. They're one of the key reasons why Summer can fuck right off.

2019 confirmed Australia's hottest and driest on record.

http://media.bom.gov.au/releases/739/an ... on-record/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Annual Climate Statement 2019: Periods of extreme heat in 2019 bookend Australia's warmest and driest year on record
09/01/2020

The Bureau of Meteorology has released its 2019 Annual Climate Statement, showing 2019 was both the warmest and driest year on record for Australia.

The Annual Climate Statement is the Bureau's official summary of the previous year and includes information on temperature, rainfall and significant weather.

Australia's average mean temperature in 2019 was 1.52 °C above average, making it the warmest on record since consistent national temperature records began in 1910 and surpassing the previous record in 2013 of 1.33 °C above average.

Meanwhile the national average rainfall total in 2019 was 277 mm, the lowest since consistent national records began in 1900. The previous record low was 314 mm set during the Federation drought in 1902.

Bureau of Meteorology head of climate monitoring Dr Karl Braganza said the record warm and dry year was one of the key factors influencing recent and current fire conditions in large parts of the country.

"2019 was consistently warm, but it was book-ended by periods of extreme heat," Dr Braganza said.

"January last year was the warmest month Australia has ever recorded, while just a few weeks ago in December, we saw the Australia-wide record hottest daily average maximum temperature broken multiple days in a row.

"At the same time, rainfall deficiencies across large parts of eastern Australia have continued to increase, unfortunately exacerbating both drought conditions and the current bushfires."

Dr Braganza said there were multiple factors influencing Australia's weather patterns in 2019.

"Most of this year, Australia's climate has been dominated by a very strong positive Indian Ocean Dipole, which acted to both warm and dry Australia's landscape, particularly from around the middle of the year.

"We also saw the influence of a rare Sudden Stratospheric Warming event high above the south pole, which acted to push our weather systems northward and compound the warmer and drier than average conditions over southern Queensland and New South Wales during spring, amplifying the fire weather.

"The other key factor at play is that Australia's climate has warmed by more than a degree since 1910, which means very warm years like 2019 are now more likely to occur, while the trend in recent decades has been for drier winter and spring seasons in the south."

Last year also saw some periods of significant rain in northern Queensland and northwest WA.

"In January and February, we saw exceptional rainfall have a major impact on communities in northern Queensland, particularly around Townsville.

"The flood waters were so significant they eventually made their way to South Australia, where we saw one of the largest fillings of Kati Thanda – Lake Eyre in many years."

In recent weeks, some of the key drivers of the recent warm and dry patterns over Australia have eased. As a result, rainfall for the coming months is expected to be average to below average in the east, while wetter than average conditions are possible much of WA and SA. However, temperatures are likely to remain warmer than average over the rest of summer.

"Unfortunately the outlook is not indicating a widespread return to wetter than average conditions over drought and fire affected parts of eastern Australia. But with the likely return of the monsoon by mid-January for northern Australia, it's raises the chances that we could see some periods of higher rainfall move south in the coming months," Dr Braganza said.

"It's important the community remains vigilant to the risk of more heat and fire days this summer, particularly given how dry the country has been over the past 12 months."

FAST FACTS

Climate summaries for each state and territory can be found here http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

NSW

- Warmest and driest year for New South Wales as a whole.

- Mean temperature 1.95°C above average, exceeding the previous record from 2018 by almost 0.3°C.

- Sydney's mean maximum temperature the warmest on record.

- Total rainfall below average in Sydney, despite a wet March, June and September.

ACT

- Rainfall well below average, particularly in winter and spring.

- Canberra Airport's driest year since 1982.

- Annual mean maximum temperature at Canberra Airport the warmest on record, with every month above average.

VICTORIA

- Victoria's fifth-warmest year on record overall, with the State's mean temperature 1.05°C above average

- Victoria's tenth-driest year on record, with rainfall below average for most of the State, and very much below average in the north and over Gippsland.

- Melbourne's mean temperature above average.

- One of the driest years on record for central Melbourne.

QUEENSLAND

- Sixth-warmest year on record for Queensland as a whole, with the mean temperature 1.27°C above average.

- Persistently dry in southeast Queensland, with many sites having their driest year on record.

- Flooding across northern Queensland and the Gulf Country in January and early February.

- Brisbane's mean temperature and mean maximum temperature both warmest on record.

- Brisbane's total annual rainfall well below average.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA

- Warmest and second-driest year on record for Western Australia as a whole.

- Severe tropical cyclone Veronica in March brought significant rainfall along the Pilbara coast and adjacent inland.

- Perth Metro's mean maximum temperature equalled the record highs of 2011 and 2012, but nights were close to average.

- Perth Metro's third-driest year on record.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA

- Driest and second-warmest year on record for South Australia as a whole.

- South Australia's mean temperature was 1.45°C above average.

- Adelaide had its hottest day on record on 24 January, and every month apart from August had a mean maximum temperature above average.

- Rainfall in Adelaide was well below average, including a record dry January to April.

TASMANIA

- Tasmania's overall mean temperature was 0.41°C above average, not as warm as recent years.

- Rainfall below average for most of the State, but above average in the west.

- Hobart's mean maximum temperature highest on record, with overnight temperatures a little above average.

- Hobart had its second-driest year on record, with only 2006 drier.

NORTHER TERRITORY

- Second-warmest year on record for the Northern Territory as a whole.

- Rainfall well below average for most of the Northern Territory away from the Queensland border.

- Darwin's second-driest year or record.

- Darwin's mean maximum temperature second-highest on record, but overnight. temperatures close to average following many cool nights during the dry season.

You can access audio of Dr Karl Braganza, the Bureau head of climate monitoring discussing the 2019 Annual Climate Statement here. Video content from a press conference will be made available from 12pm AEDT.

Read the Annual Climate Statement 2019 and watch the summary video: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[K.T.Shoe[BMs]]

I seriously hate the Summer heat now that my Evap Cooler is broken down again... and no money to fix it

And the smoke here in Melbourne earlier this week was shockingly bad.

Need rain urgently!

[guttermouth]

I've got evaporative cooling, and I hate it, it's crap. If anyone is getting a new house, don't get evap cooling

[K.T.Shoe[BMs]]

I've got evaporative cooling, and I hate it, it's crap. If anyone is getting a new house, don't get evap cooling

I second that... don't farken get Evap Coolers - they are garbage when the temperature pasts 35 Deg C.

[Peppermint Lounge]

My mum has an evap cooler and it literally feels irritating to have on during very hot weather.

[Vince]

I've got evaporative cooling, and I hate it, it's crap. If anyone is getting a new house, don't get evap cooling

I second that... don't farken get Evap Coolers - they are garbage when the temperature pasts 35 Deg C.

Oh I 3rd this sentiment. They’re horrible. My parents just renovated their house and got rid of evaporative and got refrigerated. It’s brilliant. Makes summer bearable.