ATTN: Holden Fans

David Carney · Post by **David Carney** » 08 Oct 2006 11:56 pm

I asked the very same question today. People ask me if I'm a Ford or Holden man - and I ask, why should I have to decide between just those two. I'm going to go on record here and say that most motorsport, including Bathurst, bores me. The best bits are the collisions ironically enough. I much prefer the creativity and improvisation of world rally racing. More entertaining for me, the way those guys thrash their beautiful cars into scrap metal.

jahooley · Post by **jahooley** » 09 Oct 2006 12:24 am

westical wrote:Shit, why not add some Ferraris and Lamborghinis too?

no, that's called Le Mans

Misly · Post by **Misly** » 09 Oct 2006 07:28 am

westical wrote:Shit, why not add some Ferraris and Lamborghinis too?

They already did that, Holden left them for dead: 1st and 2nd Holden 3rd PORSCHE 911 GT3 RC +12 laps -------> + 12 lap victory at Bathurst

Brocky and others in a HOLDEN Monaro beat Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porches and more at the Bathurst 24 hour race. Go Holden!

Ford

BATHURST 24 HOURS, NOV 22-23, 2003

FINAL RESULT after 24 hours (45 started, 33 finished)

* 1 HOLDEN Monaro (Brock, Murphy, Bright, T Kelly), 257 laps, 3567 km
* 2 HOLDEN Monaro (Tander, Richards, Pretty, McConville) +0.35s
* 3 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RC (Morris, Fitzgerald, Sherman, Teulan) +12 laps
* 4 PORSCHE 993 GT3 S CUP (Alzen, Alzen, Bartels, Klasen) +13 laps class B winner
* 5 MOSLER MT 900R (Short, Pearce, Lamb, Spurle) +20 laps
* 6 PORSCHE GT3 CARRERA CUP (Quinn, Quinn, Marshall, Denyer) +32 laps
* 7 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS (Floyd, Donaldson, Donaldson, Halliday) +36 laps
* 8 LAMBORGHINI DIBALO GTR (Stokell, Simonsen, Youlden, Hackett) +40 laps
* 9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS (Koundourids, Power, Freestone, Wall) +40 laps
* 10 BMW M3 (Boylan, Morgan, Hansen, Bates) +58 laps class D winner
* 11 Holden Commodore (Moore, Williams, Bosnjak) class F winner
* 12 BMW M (Cramp, Russell, King, Stubber)
* 13 Holden Commodore (Gazzard, Parker, Watters, Caswell)
* class E winner: Toyota Celica (Osborne, Roecken, Keene, Grocl)
* RETIREMENT:
* Morgan Aero 8 - SHARPE; engine problem
* BMW 320i - S.A.E; crash
* BMW M3 GTR V8 - John Bowe - PHR SCUDERIA; contact with Monaro
* FERRARI 360GT - David Brabham - PHR SCUDERIA; engine problem; lap 267
* NISSAN 200 SX GT - DUX
* NISSAN 350 - PILKINGTON
* ALFA 156 GTA - GTA; crash
* BMW M - CVW
* HONDA S2000 - KOVAC; crash

LINK

Sniff.......Thinking of Brocky (RIP)
Brock was the ultimate racing driver. A classic example was Bathurst in 1979 when he won by six laps and broke the lap record on the last lap.

Flashback to Bathurst 79 Some Peter Brock magic

mxlegend99 · Post by **mxlegend99** » 09 Oct 2006 08:19 am

How many cars DNF'ed in the early stages, including Skaife who failed to make even 1 lap?

I'm not too fussed about who won it this year. Kinda cool to see Lowndes take it out since he and Brock were so close earlier in his career.

Also, i'm pretty sure westicals was making a smart ass comment on the Ferrari/Lamborghini thing. As putting Skylines in just makes Bathurst shit.

Bathurst is an Aussie event. Holden vs Ford. I don't think anyone here wants to see Italian cars on the track, or Japanese piece of shit cars.

Twit · Post by **Twit** » 09 Oct 2006 08:36 am

These things are now so far removed from standard production cars that it wouldn’t matter what you added. The whole category is designed around parity anyway to ensure one car doesn’t dominate.

I enjoyed watching Group A style production based touring stuff as well, but it doesn’t really lend itself to close racing. You usually get a single car dominate for a season, or they do ridiculous things like adding weight in an attempt to increase parity which defeats the purpose of seeing which cars are better anyway. To get close racing you need a more tightly controlled category. It wouldn’t matter what other manufacturers you add, because they would all need to be made essentially equal for the class to work.

And for the record, these cars get around faster than the 911 GT3s. It’s doubtful that any actual production car would beat these things – it’s a pointless comparison these days. Group A is gone, and the remaining touring car classes all do the same old crap to ensure close racing.

Ambrose Burnside · Post by **Ambrose Burnside** » 09 Oct 2006 08:58 am

Ford winning Bathurst is like Freo winning a derby. Sure it happens now and again but that doesn't stop it feeling wierd and strange and unnatural every time and I DON'T LIKE IT!

jahooley · Post by **jahooley** » 09 Oct 2006 09:03 am

Only goon comes in 5 litres, boys

mxlegend99 · Post by **mxlegend99** » 09 Oct 2006 09:04 am

I love Holden. But i aint bothered by Ford winning. It takes an exceptional driver to win it, ontop of a reliable car and a bit of luck.

Lowndes is a great driver, and it was about time he won it since he switched to Ford. Just a pity that Skaife had the clutch problems... he was easily the fastest qualifier. And didn't even get to make 1 lap. LOL.

mxlegend99 · Post by **mxlegend99** » 09 Oct 2006 09:07 am

jahooley wrote:Only goon comes in 5 litres, boys

Indeed.

http://www.motorsm.com/motorsport/auto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... s_2003.asp

BATHURST 24 HOURS, NOV 22-23, 2003
FINAL RESULT after 24 hours (45 started, 33 finished)

1 MONARO (Brock, Murphy, Bright, T Kelly), 257 laps, 3567 km
2 MONARO (Tander, Richards, Pretty, McConville) +0.35s
3 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RC (Morris, Fitzgerald, Sherman, Teulan) +12 laps
4 PORSCHE 993 GT3 S CUP (Alzen, Alzen, Bartels, Klasen) +13 laps class B winner
5 MOSLER MT 900R (Short, Pearce, Lamb, Spurle) +20 laps
6 PORSCHE GT3 CARRERA CUP (Quinn, Quinn, Marshall, Denyer) +32 laps
7 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS (Floyd, Donaldson, Donaldson, Halliday) +36 laps
8 LAMBORGHINI DIBALO GTR (Stokell, Simonsen, Youlden, Hackett) +40 laps
9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS (Koundourids, Power, Freestone, Wall) +40 laps
10 BMW M3 (Boylan, Morgan, Hansen, Bates) +58 laps class D winner
11 Holden Commodore (Moore, Williams, Bosnjak) class F winner
12 BMW M (Cramp, Russell, King, Stubber)
13 Holden Commodore (Gazzard, Parker, Watters, Caswell)
class E winner: Toyota Celica (Osborne, Roecken, Keene, Grocl)
RETIREMENT:
Morgan Aero 8 - SHARPE; engine problem
BMW 320i - S.A.E; crash
BMW M3 GTR V8 - John Bowe - PHR SCUDERIA; contact with Monaro
FERRARI 360GT - David Brabham - PHR SCUDERIA; engine problem; lap 267
NISSAN 200 SX GT - DUX
NISSAN 350 - PILKINGTON
ALFA 156 GTA - GTA; crash
BMW M - CVW
HONDA S2000 - KOVAC; crash
PUNCTURE
Stokell (Lamborghini) suffered 7 tyre punctures
SAFETY CAR OUT
6 times including 1 hour before the finish.
HEAVY RAIN
started around 3.30 pm; race stopped for about 25 minutes; race resumed around 4.12pm
BOWE OUT
John Bowe's BMW V8 GTR retired after contact with Brock's Monaro on lap 131

Holden FTW

edgecrusher · Post by **edgecrusher** » 09 Oct 2006 05:13 pm

I've got nothing against the holden logo, but the size of the thing on the new commodore is just way to big and looks like something flavour flav should wear around his neck like a novelty.

Ferrari's?? Lambo's??

NO way, this is Australia, fair dinkum good old Australia Ford v Holden race. I wouldent watch it if other makes started racing there. You couldent get more Australian then watching Ford V Holden at Bathurst, cooking a few snags on the barbie and cracking a tinnie at 10am in the morning when the race starts.