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The past is not always pretty, but we learn from it. Blurring it just creates curiosity for no reason.

We've given cigarettes far more advertising because of this heavy handedness.
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Also brown packaging Protects us from archival footage and sibliminal urges.
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Advertising is freedom of speech. Govt is happy to collect taxes from smokes. Loads of people die in car crashes lets ban car ads. Loads of people die as a result of grog. Ban ads for that (that'll probly happen). Loads of people get fat from "fast food". Ban that.

This is people in power imposing their world view on people who they think are too stupid to make their own minds up.
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Nanny state, really lame. We're gonna be such a healthy country, with a secret shame about how much the government decides everything for us.
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end of the day you start smoking because youre bored or want to pull the slapper that gives free head for a 20 pack...

its not because of cig ads on some old racing footage that make you pull out a fag and cup of tea...

cunts just getting too uptight...sure the cig companies are fucking death merchants but i dont think any kid in this day and age will smoke a fag after seeing some old footage of brock with a pack of Holiday stamped on his left arse cheek..
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Haha pariah is back!
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The government loves to control everything not just what you don't get to see, but what you do get to see. In this case it is not that big a deal, but in the future the technology to fake footage is going to get better and much like the tech you saw in movies like the running man, they will be able to fake what actually happened to cause confusion.

Teams of scientists took ages to figure out the zapruder film was fake. And even today whenever a youtube truther uploads vids you can bet that the account is closed if the government disagrees since google/youtube is illuminati controlled.
The use of tv fakery is nothing new. In fact, one of the biggest fakery cases came in 1963 with the faking of the Zapruder film.

On November 22, 1963, U.S. President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed while traveling down Elm Street, Dallas, Texas, in an open car in a motorcade. (Almost) Everyone agrees about that.

Many people think that agencies of the U.S. Government have lied about or covered up details of the assassination.

For three decades, people thought the best proof of foul play was a 27-second home movie of the assassination taken by a Dallas dressmaker, Abraham Zapruder. It shows JFK's head being blasted backwards and to his left:

This seems to tell us that the shooter was in front of the car on the right side, on the "grassy knoll" (small hill) next to Elm Street. But the U.S. Government insisted that JFK was shot by just one man hiding in a building far behind the limousine.

Things get more complicated when we look at the film frame-by-frame. As the bullet hits, JFK's head first moves forwards:

This makes things confusing. There seemed to be three possible explanations:

1. He was hit by two bullets at almost the same time (one from behind and then one from the front).

2. He was hit from behind, and a jet of brain matter exploding from the front caused his head to recoil backwards.

3. He was hit from behind and some sort of muscle reaction caused his head to fly backwards.

People tried to figure this out for three decades. Instead of clearing up the mystery, Zapruder's film just made things more confusing.

In the 1990s, researchers started to realize that there was a fourth possible explanation. Zapruder's film might also be a part of the lies and cover-up that agencies of the U.S. Government had weaved around the JFK assassination!

Scientists examined the Zapruder film. They found that, while most of it looks completely genuine, some of the images are impossible. They violate the laws of physics. They could not have come from Zapruder's home movie camera.

Zapruder's film is a very good forgery. It is almost perfect. Some mistakes took almost 40 years to find.

The scientists also proved that Zapruder's film was not just changed a little bit. The whole film is a fake!

A movie film is just a strip of little photos ("frames"). The fake film was made by cutting and pasting real photos and film frames together to make new frames.

Because the Zapruder film is only 27 seconds long, less than 500 photos needed to be made. The forgers had almost a year to create them, before they were published. This was not difficult to do in 1963 and 1964. People had been creating high quality fake photos since the 1850s!

But what about the people who watched Zapruder's film in the days after the assassination?

Film experts believe that a real film of the assassination was quickly altered on the evening of the assassination, using machines that could create Hollywood-style special effects (like Mary Poppins, created in 1964). Since the film was not shown on television, no one knows exactly what these people saw. But we do know that they described a film that is different to the film published in November 1964 as the "Zapruder Film"!
This is why everyone must carry a camera around with them and become citizen journalists to get the real truth not the manufactured stories the government likes us to accept. The technology of today means what you see with your own eyes may not be real.
Everyday that ticks new plots and conspiracies are being put into place to make us love big brother and cameras and government control over our internet and the use of censorship to protect government workers like cops who want you to believe that filming in public is terrorist activity whlie they put cameras on their own hats. The good thing is people are finding out their rights and fighting back.

One thing to watch out for is the great culling which is coming to australia.
THE NWO IS HIDING A DIRTY SECRET IN THE BASEMENTS OF US ARMY FORTES ALL AROUND AMERICA. YES THOUSANDS OF THEM ! WHY ON EARTH DOES THE US ARMY NEED SO MANY GUILLOTINES ? MAYBE THEY THINK PEOPLE WONT GO ALONG WITH THE KNEW OBAMA HEALTH CARE PACKAGE AND THE RFID CHIP. SERIOUSLY THOU ! PEOPLE YOU NEED TO WAKE UP ! THE NWO ARE NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL THEY IMPLEMENT ALL THERE PLANS TO BRING IN A LUCIFERIAN ONE WORLD DICTATOR. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

Our Autralian Brothers are being set up like us in the USA!

The FEMA head came to Australia last year to give instructions. How to build the detention camps suitable to take Australians who reject the UN global government take over of the country when this region becomes the ASIAN UNION.. - Something that has been kept secret. - The IMF banking cartel will take over government as it has in Argentina, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain Ireland etc. Already 850 similar camps are built in America to hold over 40 million when the expected civil unrest begins, which will hold detainees for forced vaccinations and dissidents..
If you wish to survive, get organised with a group that has access to guns for defense and know and exercise your god-given rights. The reason it got this bad is because people didn't know them due to the distraction of the everyday world. (they forget all the entertainment of today is interactive and that information about you is being fed to the beast machines which study your patterns and spy on your searches and then try to decide if you will be a useful servant of the NWO or someone that goes into the coffins) The machines are better at deceiving than humans since they can record and memorise more and pool that information together to know more about you than you know about yourself. It might be a good idea when going out in public for instance to wear a hat and sunglasses so the camera has trouble looking at your eyes or seeing your face. Most cameras are set up high. Wear makeup, put on a fake suntan, and flash a torch at all places you see a camera to blind the observers. You want to enhance your ability to observe what they do and decrease their ability to watch you. If a government uses money to spy on the innocent then they would not mind us spying on them 24/7 if they have nothing to hide. (it will only double national security as terrorists could be anyone, including people our government trained)

It is immoral for government to lie but the best defense is to seek truth to expose it, not lie back to them. Too many people give up too easily, which is why they do not respect police or laws. They would lower themselves to their level by following their example and lying, rather than seek truth.

I'm not an anarchist but so long as people continue to put all their faith in a third party to lead them, they are just setting themselves up for great deception. Governments have fed you fluoride in water forcing us to have to buy reverse osmosis filters. They have tried to censor the internet which would only slow things down, and they now seek to tax your breathing to make it hard to live instead of seeking alternate methods of depopulation like moving us into space using the supressed technology which could be used to explore. (maybe they don't want us to see the alien bases at the dark side of the moon? or that mars has blue skies? or the the reality of the images of ships that gary mckinnon must have downloaded to his computer?)


related:
zupruder film convincing hoax (watch all parts)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI94OAGT ... ure=relmfu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Can someone please explain this to me?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-26/b ... ch/4334478" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
British American Tobacco Australia is being investigated over possible breaches of the Federal Government's new plain packaging laws.

From October it became illegal to manufacture cigarettes for Australian consumption in breach of the new rules, but six brands are already being examined for potential violations.

The investigation began after the ABC alerted the department to the possible breach.

The cigarettes feature three-letter words at the top of each, which the department is investigating to see if they are a form of advertising, which would be banned under the legislation.

In one instance, Benson & Hedges cigarettes are labelled with "LDN"; in another case Winfield cigarettes are stamped with "AUS".

Under the plain packaging regulations, cigarettes are allowed to be branded with an alphanumeric code but it must not represent or in any way be related to the brand or variant of the cigarette.
So you're 'allowed' to have an alphanumeric code, these cigarettes have an alphanumeric code, where exactly is the breach?
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It's there in the very text you quoted: "it must not represent or in any way be related to the brand or variant of the cigarette". I don't see what you're getting at.
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But how are 'AUS' and 'LDN' related to the brand or variant?
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Those laws are fucking disgusting and it doesn't surprise me one fucking bit the ABC is the dobber.
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Seriously a code is permitted by the govt FFS why not just have them in a plain box with 'cigarettes' stamped on in fact why not do it with everything! No more choice just shelves filled with grey boxes stamped OATS and RICE. Have everyone dress the same too.

Fuck these people.
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Seriously a code is permitted by the govt FFS why not just have them in a plain box with 'cigarettes' stamped on in fact why not do it with everything! No more choice just shelves filled with grey boxes stamped OATS and RICE. Have everyone dress the same too.

Fuck these people.
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The government is evil.
The corporations are evil.
Your religious leaders are evil.
Teachers are evil.
Kids are evil. (slowly becoming like the adults who set a bad example to them)
The question is: What are you going to do? Sit there and cry like a little bitch as they rob you of freedom?

No point telling us. (I'm fighting it and trying to get people to join world freemen society) Just form an alternate government.

The government serves you. If it is not serving you it doesn't represent your interests and that means disobeying the unjust laws that it sets up in mass numbers.
The nazis were nothing compared to what is coming. (they didn't have robots that can be mass produced) Your kids are going to grow up sissies because they forgot that you got to fight for your right to party just as the Beastie Boys learned long ago. But you can't enforce your right if it breached without loads of people. So you got to stop supporting the gatekeepers who are just pretending to help you but secretly actually blocking you when they meet with reptilians in secret arranging for more petty laws that don't benefit the people.
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I scabbed an AUS02 branded cigarette from a mate last night. Turned out to be menthol. You win this round, plain packaging.
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BruceCamblzChin wrote:Seriously a code is permitted by the govt FFS why not just have them in a plain box with 'cigarettes' stamped on in fact why not do it with everything! No more choice just shelves filled with grey boxes stamped OATS and RICE. Have everyone dress the same too.

Fuck these people.
Geez, you're pretty angry about what the box your cigarettes come in looks like. I guess the government is right that packaging is important to consumers.
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GameHED wrote:The question is: What are you going to do? Sit there and cry like a little bitch as they rob you of freedom?
Well yeah, that's my 'Plan A'.
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Look the bottom line is we are so weak and so easy to step on that the people creating so many laws want us to be scared of them for laughs and it isn't really about helping anymore it is meant to create a subservient race of non-thinking and non-feeling people.

Also lately there are so many police shows on tv these days and big brother and on top of this censorship (borderlands 2 gore toned down to please pussies in australia who think videogames should be treated differently to movies despite videogames being cg objects) that we are being given a message that all laws are meant to aid us rather than harm.

We must look at laws honestly and decide which ones to follow and which ones to ignore because frankly there are too many of them that it becomes expensive to try to obey all of them and it is giving people who are anarchists an appealing image to children who might be mentally ill and can't understand them or follow them due to lack of understanding. We should not have to memorise so much crap.

In violent countries like US people are turning to the sovereign movement which is a sign they have lost confidence in their own law enforcers to protect them because in future police may not be able to deal with a shtf scenario and this then results in destruction of property and people unable to defend their house from looting due to lack of guns to deter.

everything is set up to work against you:
It is a system to confuse the masses to rape them of power/money/time for the benefit of the ones creating the system. No amount of destroying the constitution with the excuse of 'security', will change that. People who are innocent don't have time to put up with this crap, so they are going back to basics and challenging the cops own knowledge of laws, in order to see whether they remember them all and if they don't, we shouldn't be required to either.
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