Another school shooting in the States, 18 kids dead.

[GameHED]

Funny, seriously there is nothing funny about 5 year old kids been shot multiple times with military weapons...
A good thread on a conspiracy board?? Really what is so good about this nut job conspiracy board?? Is it their hit ratio on debunking truth??

People are tired of the government thinking they can use tragedies to push their left wing agenda.
No one will give up their rights for a promise of security. We are more safe when teachers are armed with a gun than if they are unarmed and a non-law-abiding crazy goes to a school and preys on the weak because they are easy targets. Little kids would not be dead if the teachers could prevent the shooters with their own weapons. It's the harsh reality of life. Beef up security at the schools if you have to. Don't shit all over the rights of those who act responsibly.

Not, never have talked about banning guns, better gun control is the issue. Yeah those pitch forks are brutal, I lost count on how many times there has been mass killings in double figures that involve pitch forks.

If you are going to have a discussion about gun bans I challenge you to debate it with the parents who have lost their kids in multiple mass shootings in the US over the last 10 years(3 Massacres this year)because of gun laws let a crazy guy wield weapons used by the military.

More security you fucking dumb shit. If you have a gun and the shooter had a gun the shooter will not get far. The debate was already won by those who warned what would happen when you make it harder for law abiding gun owners to access guns while outlaws (who will not follow or care about law and are going to commit suicide after they have finished shooting everyone) can do what they want.

You are a fucken nut job......really

People love freedom over nanny state. It's the law in america to defend against enemies foreign and domestic. The threat inside is the left wing branch trying to weaken the morals and the beliefs of the people and hope it decays from the inside out. It is a different way of living. Without security people can't protect themselves. On the microcosmic level, this should be applied to school and even family. If a killer were to attack say a community of armed people they would not get far. Whine about it all your like but that is what people want. If you rely on officials and bureacrats you get more danger. This is not a joke. This is how dictators attain control over people and I would advise that you study history and get educated on this topic so that your own kids can balance their own decision in adult life against the indoctrination of the anti-gun groups who are desperate to make them weak and easy targets.

This is where I stopped reading your shit, I'm surprised i wasted my time reading that far an actually feel a little dumber from reading it. I must of fell asleep during history at school when they talked about the hunting red necks that saved the country from the invading Japanese. Fuck all along I thought it was the military....

20 young innocent kids killed and the best thing you can bring to this thread is conspiracy theories and world domination by the UN.....you are one sick fucker..

I have just signed up with several fellow Ranchers, and joined the Gamehed ignore club......

If I am so sick then why don't they boost security at schools and let teachers have the guns needed in case the school shooters come there to kill people? Is it really that hard? Why is it these random crazy kids always go for weak and easy targets where they know they can kill a lot of people? Because wherever there are unarmed groups of people they can kill more people. If you had more security and teachers were armed then perhaps this stuff could be prevented. You may not like violence, gun "culture" or logical solutions to easy problems, but that is what many are asking here. Things just don't add up. The smart people know that they need these events to push for more controls and these politicians will do anything to get it which is what happened with the port arthur massacre in order to pass gun legislation here. They just don't give a shit about you or little kids or anything because they are evil plain and simple. Nobody wants to believe it because they are too shocked by the thought of it. They are reacting to events emotionally not logically looking for reasonable and realistic solutions.

I don't care about you using ignore and I never did. In fact I advocate self censorship. If you want to ignore then go ahead. But remember that the planning is over a very long period of time because they know it will take a long time to convince people to give up their rights to bear arms. They need to plan this one carefully since so many people are awake to the UN plan to control the country through laws that make it illegal to possess weapons and they will team up with the evil guys to bypass the constitution.

See in australia we don't have to worry about the shit they do. If we get attacked we will be calling for uncle sam's help to rescue us. It might sound like I am bashing australians but the fact is we are just americas little brother and are not really independent. You buy their videogames. You watch their movies. You use their portable gadgets and apple devices and worship them. You eat their fast food. You basically live in safety because of the security they provide funded by their consumerist culture. (do we have our very own nukes?) You can't be so judgemental all the time is what I am saying. They own your arse and you love it. Get angry all you like at them for being a superpower with actual defense, but it is reality. We would not survive if we got invaded especially with the kids of today who are not aware of the past history and the tactics used to gain control over populations through propaganda, and confiscation of guns, by the plotters trying to create a world empire through enslavement.

Just look at both sides of the debate instead of knee jerk reactions. I bet you didn't even click the link from that grandmother who lost her grandkids due to stupid gun restrictions that resulted in their death. All you probably give a fuck about is trying to win a debate to look smart in front of your weed smoking hippie friends. You have to live in the shoes of another to truly understand and it is because of that you remain apathetic thanks to brainwashing by media.

PS
"Banning guns" and "gun control" are both related to each other. One is extreme and the other is the milder set up for the more extreme measure later on. (using the 'boiling frog effect' by taking away your rights slowly so people get acclimitised to the idea of giving up constitutional rights. Any idiot knows that gun control is going to eventually lead to banning them later on. You just got to trust us. We know the UN wants the weapons for themselves. They have to first get rid of them from everyone else which is why the demonisation campaign of gun owners today. If invaders from a far land or gangs have access to high powered weapons with high capacity cartridges to carry more bullets, so too should the militia. It's unreasonable to say to the public that weapons used to defend the nation against some foreign troops who attempt it, should be less lethal than whatever it is the enemy is that attacks the nation after biding their time and waiting for the people to get weak.

In war you take advantage of whatever is needed to save your family from danger. Sort out the details later. You can't have peace if you yourself want the power and will just do the same exact thing with the weapons as those you confiscated them from. That is the danger of letting a global authority control us all too much. The real motivation of UN is global government not peace.
Order of attempts to bring in the NWO:
1. League of nations
2. the united nations
3. world government (might take an alien invasion or something to get us to unite. google Reagan's speech about aliens for hints)

[Scullibundo]

GameHED, if your argument is for 'those who act responsibly' to be able to keep their arms, then why shouldn't the gun laws be completely overhauled to require a testing period before somebody can attain a gun to make sure that weapon of death is in responsible hands?

[GameHED]

Many people reckon they already have been. A semi automatic is not an assault weapon but the left like to use that word because it makes the gun seem more dangerous. There is nothing especially dangerous about a gun that is semi automatic that a fully auto armed person with government clearance to use, should fear.

The thing we got to understand here is there will always be crazies in society. But do you feel safer armed to fight one if they prey on weaklings who can't fight back? Or do you feel safer when you create laws that give you make-believe fake security? (but serve a european agenda to worship tree gods and make us pussies before the final push to kill off the judeo christian nations who protected jews from being eliminated in WW2 and continue to pollute their environment which they see as sacred - the zetigeist movement is an example here which blames western religion and is linked to new age doctrines from the east)

Just put some security in schools. The gun nuts need jobs anyway don't they?

There is strange coincidences to these shootings too:
http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and- ... 47738.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The victims families need to pay attention to these world events too because if these events keep happening over and over again, it will eventually cause everyone to either buy more guns, or anger the hippies who don't want to loo deeply into the motivations behind the killings.

[GeneraL CyberFunK]

[Candy Arse]

GameHED is the sort of person who will go on a rampage like this one day.

[jahooley]

Give the teachers guns? Possibly the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Slung from the teachers belt or locked away in the school somewhere... what happens when a student flips out and obtains these weapons?

Or worse, what happens when a teacher flips out and uses the weapon to shoot up the school? 1 in 25 Americans are sociopaths. Like you seem to be. Someone should really alert the authorities to your paranoid delusional behaviour before you commit some kind of an assault.

[General Chaos]

YEAH GAMEHED WHY NOT GIANT MAGNETS YOU CRAZY PERSON!!!

[GameHED]

Look GCF. There is a war between white rednecks who are gun fans and foreigners who will band together to form gangs and shit and this is what the illuminati are going to do: have both sides kill each other.

We can agree that crooks are bad. They need to be put into prisons if they do something that harms communities.

Here is a problem:

We know governments are corrupt. They can sometimes use the powers of the groups that oppose the current order to act as soldiers to the cause of the evil politicians who are only there to create chaos. One one side you have people who like to live in an ordered society where rules and laws are sacred. On the other you have anarchists and outlaws and people who just see the rules as too oppressive. (eg prohibition era)

How do you fight them (the bad guy) if the government is secretly giving them the weapons? You arm people who are loyal to the current order. (the government is doing the opposite - weakening the current order)

Why do americans need guns? Because governments can not be trusted BY DEFAULT. That's the whole point of needing the enforcers who are loyal to a set of belief not put there by governments but created by the people who follow that code of behavior because it is agreed that it is the right belief to have.

Is it that hard to understand now why guns of the common man must be as good as what a military (working for money from the government who can use that military force for oppression if the power is put into the hands of a dictator trying to take over) uses, so that the original order can be maintained? (original order being what the forefathers planned in advance)

Please listen to this interview for an understanding of the purpose the 2nd amendment is there:

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4996#more-4996" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is not about giving criminals the freedom to blow away kids or teens the ability to go on massacres. It is about securing freedom after a government shows it no longer agrees with the way power works in a free society (that people have unalienable rights that must be guarded). Nobody can argue that government is corrupt or lies to us since they make promises and break them. But when it comes down to breaking away from its controls we have people who like to complain but won't free themselves from it. This is unique to the internet generation who wants others to do things.

This is the problem facing the americans: whenever they get promised things they actually believe it and listen and then want to go back to being reliant on it. Then after that happens they complain again when they are lied to. (It is thier own fault for listening to promises) It's time people learned to break from the government and trust in themselves as communities that honor the common laws and quit feeding the beast with too much of their tax dollars which is only being used for black ops projects and fema camps so the elite can enslave them once a SHTF event happens and they need to lock down the cities.

The time for listening to leftwing people is over. They complained about bush. Then they got obama. Then when obama became worse than bush they complained about being deceived. The cycle must stop.
Get your guns. Form a community outside the control of these elites. Establish strong bond with your neighbours to cover each others backs instead of watching football or playing COD or sufring the web for porn. It's because of people being spoiled and lazy that the elites can step all over the fat americans so easily and then bring their ideas to other nations which are only agreeing with it because they think that is going to benefit them in some way.

War vets are being treated like shit. Kids are killing each other. And the mainstream media isn't even reporting the news because it is controlled by the rich men who just want to make money. It used to be only the blacks were the slaves. Now the whites are the slaves by trusting in third parties to be honest all the time. The bible teaches us that man has evil in his heart and seeks to control others because we have a sin nature. It's time kids were taught the truth about the dark nature of man and taught about hell and other things so that they will fear becoming evil again. Liberals hate that shit for a reason. It is because they let government pollute minds of young people for ages through brainwashing which has caused them to rely on the government too much. The government is not god. It is the servent of the people and when the service isn't giving them any benefit it is time to wake up and work towards freeing yourself from the chains.

But all people want to do is argue with those who have the solutions and then get angry later when the government doesn't listen to them due to the money they are taking from the globalists who manipulate them so easily. lol It's just an endless cycle. You identify the problem. You fix it. So far people have identified the problem. But we need numbers in order to fix it. Too many just want to sit and watch others do it and that is not going to work. They are distracted by entertainment, small issues, and worried about what others will think of them. If you don't fight for your rights, you don't deserve to live when the SHTF because you did nothing to prepare to exit the corrupt system in place and be the solution.

Most of the people on this board would not last a second in a post apocalypse world or be willing to fight if there were invaders trying to take the land or UN troops to remove all the weapons you own to help you to save your belongings from looters and gangs and others trying to murder you for food. You guys would be like that guy in mad max who joins up with the gang to kill others because you were too easily conquered and scared.

Everyone must choose their side because you won't have peace when the NWO takes over.
You either fight for the good cause or become enslaved and killed like the nazis were able to do to the jews and put them in concentration camps and shit.
gun control is one way they are achieving power grab by making laws that punish innocent people for wanting to protect themselves when the gangs they supplied with weapons are unleashed on the population. You are too lazy to study the history so you don't believe it is a threat.

Education needs to be given to kids that forces them to know how to fight if a dictator comes to power. This should be mandatory and kids that don't want to learn it should be handed to the government as property so they can experience being under its control as punishment. (by that time they will have learned from experience what being enslaved is like and write books about how bad it is being a NWO follower and then want to break out)

“Polimagicians want you to believe that all the policies that history has made very clear to us that have been complete failures, that somehow in America today, they’re magic. They’ll work now, even though they’ve never worked before in world history,” explained Mack.

“Yeah, we know Hitler did it and it didn’t work, we know Mussolini did it, we know Castro did it, we know Pol Pot did it, we know all these horrible Communist dictators promoted gun control and it never worked, and we know it was racist and we know it was enslaving and we know it was destructive, but in America we can do it now because it’s magic.”

Mack points the finger at the mainstream media as being accomplices in making Americans, the audience, believe in the illusion.

“If you want magic,” said Mack, “go to Disneyland or go see David Copperfield. The magic of gun control is being promoted by the best illusionists in America.”

“There are over 24,000 gun control laws in America, and they’re all unconstitutional,” explained Mack.

Ironically, to make his point, Mack writes that “where guns are most prevalent, crime is at its lowest, and where gun control is most stringent, crime is at its highest.”

As he says, “You are either armed or you are a target.”

“Whether you like guns or not, whether you approve of guns or not, it’s really immaterial,” said Mack. “Gun control in America is against the law whether you like it or not.”

Mack compares efforts at gun control to Prohibition in the United States from 1919 till 1933, and writes that “significant historical evidence shows that laws of prohibition actually exacerbate the problem they were supposedly intended to resolve.”

Mack also explains in the book that “throughout history, where gun registration has been required by law, it has always been followed by confiscation, always.”

AFP asked if gun registration is something that the federal government is allowed to do.

Mack explained. “They have no regulatory authority over that which is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. None is offered, none is allowed. In fact, their only job is to make sure that the Bill of Rights are enforced and guaranteed; that’s the purpose of government. They cannot regulate how or when or what I do to keep and bear arms.”

Mack also addressed the myth that calling 9-1-1 can save your life.

“I was in law enforcement for 20 years,” said Mack. “I actually supervised 9-1-1 communications in the police department I worked for in Utah and again when I was sheriff in Arizona, and I can honestly tell you that calling 9-1-1 usually results in us coming and investigating you as a victim. Very seldom do we get there in time to stop someone from killing you. It’s almost impossible. 9-1-1 should provide no comfort to anyone that your life will be saved.”

Since calling 9-1-1 is near useless when a victim is threatened by a would-be attacker, Mack offers this simple solution.

“There is no other method that brings greater safety and success than a gun, none. Not calling 9-1-1, not yelling, not screaming, not running, not fighting, not blowing a whistle, not Mace, not bows and arrows, not knives. Nothing provides better security and safety, and success of being safe and sound, after a would-be attack, than a handgun. Nothing.”

With all the interest in buying guns due to harsh gun laws being introduced, hopefully this makes the current generation realise how close to the end of the world we are at in the timeline of the elites who are basically satanists who have no respect for the law because they have willingly let demons and shit control them for so long and under their control as evidenced by all the satanic symbols in music videos and shit. Self defence in times of emergency is not enough at this point imo what with drones and shit. People need to take the offense and train for the day when money itself has no value above duty to fellow human beings and preserving life - hint: buy food, ammo, weapons, body armour etc

[unfnknblvbl]

saw this on G+

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[GameHED]

Some are claiming the shootings could be revenge attack by israel:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/18 ... n-carnage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

it seems like the conspirators screwed up and planted the wrong id on the wrong guy mistaking one brother for the other.. I believe the kids. They have no motivation to lie.

these attacks are satanic mind controlled puppets activated to trigger.
Russ Dizdar has been coveringg this topic for years. Some of the spiritual meaning behind shootings is in the religious beliefs of the killers who obey the voices in the heads. But is it mental illess or black op programming or technology?:
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.co ... 0_25-08_00" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any government that is involved in it will be judged by god later for involving innocent kids.

Hopefully americans will revolt against this attack on the rights of a free nation. Sovereign man can't allow cycle of violence like this to continue. A bully is a bully. When you involve kids you are asking for trouble.
I have so little respect for left wing branch. (I believe dunblane massacre, port arthur massacre and these shootings to be anti-gun plots by the left) You want to convince people to disarm? You don't use violence to prove your point and murder people. You can't garuatee your own safety if there is no one to defend your freedom with arms. Under dictatorship what promises you were given by government (which can never guarantee promise is fulfilled) to have your god-given rights protected, will not be honored. (due to corruption, not the system itself being bad - it is in the nature of man to give into temptation and that is what happens to people in positions of great power)

The time for debate is over. The gun owners (which is the majority of citizens in the country) see you as terrorists now. I said it before: the two competing powers are
1. the new age UN(who envy freedom the americans have and want all the weapons for themselves after confiscating them from every other nation),

or

2. the US (who have been hijacked by globalist dreamers who think they are gods for printing all the money and boast about it by putting pyramid symbols in movies). As long as people value people more than the money (you can't take wealth with you to the afterlife) they can escape this enslavement. (it's not like it is backed by items of real value anyway)

Fact is guns do not kill, people kill. And we killed long before guns ever existed for power. Cain murdering his own brother = the evil in man that causes death. Pretending evil does't exist by not looking at the spiritual sickness in people is not going to get to the root of the problem. It's a spiritual war. Fight the evil. Not the objects and tools used by the killers. Good guys use them too and the bad guys will not give up using them if good guys outlaw its use for good people. It's just not logical and never will be.

[cloud]

[GameHED]

hollywood (controlled by the illuminati) is being blamed along with Israel:

I bet all the violent movies will be censord just like light gun games were banned for a while.

This is why too much power in the hands of government will result in dictatorship. The governement workers are easy to manipulate and the information of a conspiracy in the shootings are being covered up by cops loyal to the nwo. (which is why the left want only police or military to have posession of firearms to prevent rebel freedom-fighting army fighting a future dictator who they rely on for safety later on, and who will most likely need to call in foreign troops not loyal to the nation. (the right wing groups have feared this for ages and wrote many books on the subject)

Already you can see them demonising veterens and trying to make them seem mentally ill after returning from wars pissed and tired of being used. I guess this is the veterens way of getting back at them and exposing the NWO on tv. Look if you don't believe me why is the government buying up so much ammo? Because they are scared of gunowners who like individual freedoms and believe the government should be scared of the people not the other way around. The NWO are scared of the libertarians. The iluminati prepared ahead of time for resistors to pop up and that is what the fema camps are for to contain everyone not considered pro-nwo.

Get a survival training book and prepare for the coming chaos while there is still time.
Now a lot of people will accuse these people of being racist. No they are anti-zionist which means they are against the political movement to get all jews to move to israel ahead of time. It is possibly a trap set up by satanists to get them all into one very dangerous place to wipe them out, which is what the nazis failed to do in WWII. The NWO is basically the nazi dream of empire but instead of being just europe, it spans the globe. You can't do that without confiscating all the weapons of each nation and taking away the rights of the sovereign people.
And the dangerous thing: people of today are so zombiefied they don't even give a shit about freedom and like their enslavement. As long as they got their distractions and football and drugs to keep them happy and sleepy and tired. It's all part of the game to use them like animals by herding them around. (the talmud which is what the materialistic jews follow, teaches that anyone who is not jewish is ok to be killed or herded like an animal. This is against the ten commandments which say "thou shalt not kill". It doesn't discriminate. The only exception was for self defence in war or if there were special circumstances - ie killing the giants to clear the land for normal humans to inhabit. Today people don't understand that the occultic groups have infiltrated all religions with a perverted version of the religion to replace the pure version)

There is a lot of deception in the world and if you just look at the surface you won't find the conspiracy. Prophets who wrote down the prophecies often did not know what it wa they were writing about and this meaning was kept mystery until future generations could understand it. You are living in those times now that modern technology can allow people to kill each other using all kinds of devastating extinction level attacks. (This is why I think humans have to move a few into space or colonise other planets to ensure the religious fanatics do not murder each other and take the rest of us with them. Obviously those that want genuine peace can't have it while there are arms industries kept alive that only profit when there are wars, (so we can never stop fighting) and eugenicists who survived post WWII are being kept safe by the government because of their knowledge despite the evil things they have done. (google "operation paperclip")
These people sacrifice humans today for occultic reasons to please the demons they have inside them in exchange for things like psychic abilities, supernatural powers, and promises of more power. This is why it is no surprise to find occultic symbols in your movies and shit because it gives them some power over your mind which is why society is so brainwashed.

Listen to exorcists who deal in spiritual warfare to remove the curses that these members of satanic groups have placed on themselves over generations of being manipulated and deceived by these non-human entities who have their own agenda to gain stronghold in this world through physical bodies that they require to possess. You can demand they reveal thier true identity to you under the authority of jesus christ. These powers were given to humans to discern the lie from truth but people have forgotten these powers. These beings are too weak to fight against God, but will be given power to deceive you if you reject truth and trust their lies, which is part of the spiritual portion of the brainwashing. (the physical and technological side is another part - too bad people don't see the drugs side effects as part of it or the psychtronic devices that exist which can make you believe you are hearing god speak to your brain. This stuff wasn't possible in ancient times. It would not surprise me if people are deceived in future using this knowledge to control masses of people for nefarious purposes)

[Twit]

GameHED is the sort of person who will go on a rampage like this one day.

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[guttermouth]

From what I have observed the politics of gun advocates is as per Ted Nugent, staunch conservative and sitting NRA board member.

In summary - shout 'fucken freedom' while gesticulating aggressively.

Lets not forget Ted also admitted to being a draft dodger and pedophile..There is NRAs and the conservatives great American hero..

[Cletus]

Regardless of all of this, I stand by my Live Gamertag.

[flipswitch]

That name again is Mister Gun (for those playing at home)

[GameHED]

You guys can try your best to ignore it but much of the warnings people are giving out about the conspiracy to rule the world through a world government and kill off billions of people is actually having an effect. (old books are avaialbe through pdf for free to read online)

For instance the UN Agenda 21 is showing resistance in america by those who are aware of the plan to take private property and remove people's rights from them:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... nes/53844/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The movement to push against the One World order is going to get stronger regardless of the ones on this board who are working towards it.

Guns is one issue.
Land is another issue.
Freedom of Speech is another.
Food is a another one. (they will get you to eat the poisonous GM food to kill you off, and see organic food as the obstacle)

I have noticed some of you are ok with fighting for things like the removal of censorship on stuff but not so caring about guns. But consider this: without guns it will be much easier for them to put you into the FEMA camp. Overall the goal is to weaken the population through chemicals in the food and taking away weapons.
Then without anyone knowing it, the plotters can put you into the gas chambers and cremate the body and nobody will know what happened.
They succeeded in taking away your money for carbon tax.
They can blame the pollution on the people and tax them on things the elite were responsible for.

Both sides of politics work for the NWO. Trying to debate with someone who already knows the problem was manufactured (because of the history of lies behind the groups promoting them) is pointless because it is becoming self evident that both sides are in on the removal of individuals freedoms.
When the time comes to kill off a huge chunk of people through a war, disease, starvation, and wild animals (humans cannibalising each other) you will wonder how it all came about and then remember it was your own lack of understanding about these world events that allows it to go on.

First they will get religious people to kill each other off in major battles.
Second they will bring in more technology to make people more reliant on government. (some of it wil be used to deceive, some of it will be used to track, and some will be used to play god)
Then they will introduce luciferianism as the main religion. (death god)
Human sacrifices will be done and worship to the demon god will once again be public. (instead of limiting it to rituals at bohemian grove)

If you do not llike it, you will not have a place in the world. Already chipping animals is common and they are trying to get you used to accepting chips inside your body to identify you. This is technology that was not around in ancient times but gives the NWO control over the human population. The precursor to it is the spyware in your own phones and appliances. When you carry computers around with you that is the early version of having them embedded into your body.

Many non-conspiracy theorist are getting into this book reading to see these events unfold before them. So although they might not have believed in conspiracies like agenda 21 back in the 90s they can see the effects of the UN on their own nation today and verify that what people had claimed they were going to do, is really being made into reality. This is why people should look into the tactics they use like killing kids to get you to cry and agree with their cause. Sure they are not your kids so you are not effected but the point is if you try to argue against the ones proposing the new laws it makes you look bad for not disarming. Thankfully many become stronger in their resistance when they see shootings, because it only strengthens the argument that more guns is going to make it safer.

eg:

Over time people will look back at the decision people make and laugh at the stupidity of banning things for the elites. I see in the future more attempts to disarm everyone which will make more people vulnerable targets to mass murderers. (note that the shooter was able to get past security of the school because the killer is related to someone who worked at the school - inside job)
You want to teach the next generation to disobey any *unjust law. This is how you protect yourself from the liberal branch of the nwo. To protect yourself from the right wing branch videotape those cops and keep educating them on common law and uploading to the internet. (they may not understand the freeman movement yet but this will change as more people exercise their god-given rights) Trust in truth. The media is under no obligation to give you facts.

[GameHED]

Piers Morgan (gun grabbing pom) vs Alex Jones on a debate about gun control:

Piers got his butt handed to him. It's been known for ages that the government is seeking ways to kill us all off and put us into camps by using disasters and threats like terrorism, asteroids, and aliens to panic the public to put the nation into an emergency status which would force the public to want to give up its rights. They use trauma based settings to push through laws that normally most people would be against had the trauma no been there and have studied the brain and seen these tactics to be the most effective to convincing and persuading the public to hate freedom.

As I predicted after the batman shooting (black op mind programmed killer sent to trigger on release of the movie) there would be more shooting until americans decide to let the government take all the weapons off them.

The gun grabbers need to understand that instead of banning guns, you should ban gun-free zones as all a gun free zone does is advertise to mass shooters "Hi come here we are an easy target and you can get a much higher body count if you choose to do a mass shooting here due to nobody being armed to defend themselves against you."

I think everyone wil start to buy guns after the sandy hook shooting knowing that there are black op mind controlled puppets sent by the neocons to panic us into submission.

IF you want to take guns, solve the gang issue first and give the kids who were deprived of their places jobs and listen to ron paul who wants to bring in a sound money system.. Already there is a guy in the UK doing this. (Roger Hayes 'the alternative money system')

Then there will be less violence. Most of the shooting is by gang-related crime fighting agaist each other, not law-abiding american citizens deciding to shoot kids. At the end of Final Fight on the GBA Haggar is told by Belger (the leader of the Mad Gear Gang) the reason the gang is so strong is because the city WANTS gangs and the kids come to him for security. Haggar responds that is only because of the kids being deprived of their places by the corrupt adults of the world. Even a videogame knows this. Remove corruption, young people who have no future are much happier and have more to live for.

I think if gun-free zones exist there should be emergency vests and emergency guns that are handed out in case another happens again - like put them in the ceiling or floor or something like that. (much like you have emergency escape when a building is on fire)

This would be cheaper than hiring an armed guard outside schools. Robots wil solve this problem in future. They will work for free. They can shoot with more accuracy and we already use them to disarm bombs. You won't have to be in the room with the killer either since you could remote activate the robot and have a xbox Call of Duty gamer using kinect to shoot the killer with ease if you don't trust fully autonomous robots. (ie "ED-209" from the movie robocop which killed someone due to a glitch in the programming)

If british people don't know why americans need semi auto weapons, it is because you didn't have to fight to get freedom from the gvoernment and don't mind the controls put upon you.
A armed public is needed in case the government uses its powers to bully the people.
And the guns they possess have to be at least equal to whatever the government is going to throw at them when they have a leader (presidet guarded by so many bodyguards due to how much he is hated by the people) who will assassinate anyone he chooses.

Gun grabbers are not the liberals anymore. It is really the neocons who are just obsessed with power and control freak utpoian world as seen in movies like Equilibrium where military might is right. Piers is just one of their agents meant to look like he cares about the safety of your kids. Your kids are safer knowing how to shoot a gun in self defence than to go to a gun-free school where criminals (who do not obey laws and get their guns illegally or have the left wing government secretly buy them for shootings so they can blame the conservatives ie Fast and Furious) get to have their way.

The bottom line:
If a president swears an oath to uphold the constitution and then breaks his promise, that is a breach of contract and the american people do not have to honour thier end of the deal by handing in guns since the president no longer represents the interest of the average guy on the street who pays the taxes that gives the government its powers. The powers lie in the people.
More and more people are turning to the sovereign movement (moving outside the government and just obtaining their rights by governing themself or forming alternative system of government through society that honors the traditions of the past) and in the future I think there will be a war between those who are freedom/liberty lovers and those who are just on the government side because they think the NWO will give them lots of power.

They will probably bainwash kids and pollute the next generation with anti-gun messages by removing guns from movies from now on. (like they did to ET and cartoon like gundam)

Next:

I would like to see michael moore debate alex on a show. Two fat americans shouting at each other is much more interesting. This way it doesn't look like a UK vs US debate but a logic vs emotion thing. Fact is the people are only going to let guns be banned due to emotion from shooting and let the emotion cloud their judgements. Governments are shameless and will use tradgedy to push a power-grabbing agenda and even fake cry on tv to get what they want. They are master manipulators. They even got hollywood to convince you freedom is bad. lol

hollywood sucks. Fuck off fake celebrities. You are paid too much money and you set bad examples for kids when you accept roles in violent enetertainment:

Do the black celebrities or any black Americans who support gun control have the slightest bit of common sense? Do they know that it was gun control that enabled their ancestors captors to continue slavery in America as long as it lasted without the possibility of resistance due to gun restrictions on black Americans. It's such a shame that people are so ignorant and hypocritical.

The government is slowly realising that people are waking up to corruption and evil in high places.

Fast and furious scandal is one example:
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This is why people need the guns, Piers. Also I think it is time american government listened to mexican government about UFOs and hand over the truth about them. If people could make stuff like that it would save the environment because it seems like a clean technology that is supressed by the oilmen.

Edit:

earlier interview with Larry Pratt (gunowners.org) on Pier Morgan where Morgan losses his cool while Larry remains calm and wins debate:

[GeneraL CyberFunK]

Fuck you are an idiot.

That interview effectively made Alex Jones look like a mad man. No wonder you think Piers got his butt handed to him because you clearly have a illuminati boner for Alex Jones.

The situation in America is crap. The NRA vs gun control people.. it's common sense that there should be some sort of process and restrictions on people being allowed to own lethal weapons. The problem with America is that they are so blinded by their arrogance and unimitagated right and adherence to a law that is now over 200yrs old.

This rage filled insistance that they can't have their guns taken off of them or the 2nd amendment to be investigated and perhaps brought up to date is ridiculous. Laws and processes change with the times. That's how society works.

While I believe that people kill people and guns don't, I believe the culture and influence of guns IS the issue. There is this pride about being able to have guns and this feeling that they are allowed to have them which in turn means they seem quicker to jump for one and then hide behind their right as per the second amendment. There is glamour of gun culture as well.

America hasn't been at war with itself this bad not since the civil war...

[GameHED]

In the future you guys should look for news on assassinations of gun manufacuters and stuff. Alex claims there is a purge of pro gun people:

He was stalked by new york cops (possibly pro-NWO people on the take from the elites) when he travelled to the interview. They know people are awake, so they are using dirty tactics to stop the gun nuts.

I am not a fan of guns myself. I do believe in self defence no matter who it is doing the attacking) I think the true war is a spiritual war. But politicians lie, media lies, and kids who were at the shooting don't. Trust in the people that were there and witnesses. If witnesses actually die mysteriously, because they want to talk, blame the anti-gun groups working for the neocons.

With the advent of modern technology to create fake footage of people doing things they didn't do, (running man style) you can't trust you own eyes. For a long time the reptilians use mind control and monopoly over the media to conrol whole populations of people. The internet brought competition to the establishment that woke people up so they could think for themselves. Now the controllers are trying to crush the consciousness of the public again. After the guns, I predict destruction of freedom of speech. They have been planning gun grab for ages. It is the great equaliser of power. Because an old man who doesn't have much chance with melee weapons can still put up a good fight against a robber. (anyone can pull a trigger) They don't want that because it is empowering for the common man regardless of your physical fitness.

The deaths are the sacrifices to their god. If they don't spill blood the demons don't give them the powers.

[GameHED]

Fuck you are an idiot.

That interview effectively made Alex Jones look like a mad man. No wonder you think Piers got his butt handed to him because you clearly have a illuminati boner for Alex Jones.

The situation in America is crap. The NRA vs gun control people.. it's common sense that there should be some sort of process and restrictions on people being allowed to own lethal weapons. The problem with America is that they are so blinded by their arrogance and unimitagated right and adherence to a law that is now over 200yrs old.

This rage filled insistance that they can't have their guns taken off of them or the 2nd amendment to be investigated and perhaps brought up to date is ridiculous. Laws and processes change with the times. That's how society works.

While I believe that people kill people and guns don't, I believe the culture and influence of guns IS the issue. There is this pride about being able to have guns and this feeling that they are allowed to have them which in turn means they seem quicker to jump for one and then hide behind their right as per the second amendment. There is glamour of gun culture as well.

America hasn't been at war with itself this bad not since the civil war...

Nah gun owners are frightened of the gun grabbers and many don't listen to alex jones or even like him but do support his views about the left trying to rape people of freedoms that the leaders swore to uphold. (but aren't)

Don't make ad hominem attacks on alex. It will only make you look silly. Just understand that if people hand in the guns then this will result in putting the population into fema camps to work them to the bone and compete against the chinese workers who are making apple products and can't kill themselves due to suicide nets preventing them.

You guys are just fucked in the mind and don't want to look at the big picture. Long before alex jones people were warning others about foreign influences raping the average joe on the street of his rightful property. The banksters are trying to play one side against the other by arming the enemy of the nation that tey want to target. It is the way of the global corporations that only value human life as a resource. Everything is business. Even guys like David Icke (who believes the queen is a reptilian) have gained a lot of popularity because the people really sense something wrong with the world but can't articulate it.

I already pointed out: men are evil because the demons have controlled the leaders which men follow without questioning their motives. (call the entities archons, reptilians, ascended masters.. whatever. They are summoned at those rituals at bohemian grove imo)

You have to look for evidence of it in everyday world. This is a spiritual sickness not a drug issue or a genetic thing. Hitler was guided by a demonic force when he killed people based on their genes. And the survivors of that system (after the allies won) escaped and are even working for the government secretly to perfect military tech. (google project paperclip)

This is all a result of not fighitng the evil from years ago properly. Much like the One Ring being lost for a while in Lord of the Rings, and then later found again, which causes the end of the world unless it is destroyed. Sauron could'nt form the NWO after using his All-seeing Eye to locate the lost technology that the hobbits were holding in their hands, because good people overcame the temptation to become powerful. The hobbits destroyed evil properly instead of use the evil for selfish purposes to empower themselves. You are seeing greedy and powerful men coming out of the shadows again to start more trouble because they are confident people are too corrupt to resist their persuasive powers and those weak willed leaders are hoping they will obtain rewards for doing what the evil Sauron wants.

Like I said it is a evil spirit people are fighting. Most of the servents of the evil are good people chained to their desire to have a part of it. Wil they receive it? Nope. You will be the first to be killed after you obey the order to turn against your own people. (the orcs were not evil, they were ordered to follow commands out of fear which is what I think Piers morgan is doing. He is one of the orcs) There is going to be a lot of good people turning against their friends and betrayal in future. It is human nature to kill the other guy to compete with him for limited resources. The elites are playing that game now by limited resources and seeing if people will kill each other in desperation. They are buying hollow point bullets while banning weapons. This means gun owners have to buy the guns are inflated prices (in fear the bans make it hard to get) and maybe they will even steal guns off each other.

The reptilians have it all planned out in advance. The serpent tricked eve in the garden of eden by telling her the disobediance to god's law would result in power and she accepted. She bit it, and it did the opposite. Causing death. Sin = death. They are doing this ritual everyday with your leaders and they are being tested to see if they are strong enough to resist. But the people offering the powers are themselves powerless to give anything since power comes from you by the choices you make everyday. (people just have to wake up to it and stop feeding the beast and this is slowly happening now as more people question why they are trusting people who lie to them all the time and not actually getting smarter by trusting their common sense. God gave you a brain and if you don't use it you deserve to be deceived. You got all the warnings and won't follow it. Now the result is tyrants thinking they are right to enslve people with restrictions (law-abiding gun owners didn't do the shooting, it was a crazy guy. Why should good people be punished for what evil people do?) and taxes that nobody wants. (carbon tax etc)

If the public doesn't like the NWO, they can use UN treaties and other things to sneak the laws in through deception and clever trickery.

[Scullibundo]

GameHED really should have taken the blue pill.

[Hercy]

He should take all the pills he can lay his hands on.

[Rorschach]

He was stalked by new york cops (possibly pro-NWO people on the take from the elites) when he travelled to the interview. They know people are awake, so they are using dirty tactics to stop the gun nuts.

I'm calling you on this. Prove it. Not links to crackpot Youtube videos or obfuscate, grandiloquent written diarrhoea. Time, date, place and persons. If not, sell crazy elsewhere.

[GameHED]

GameHED really should have taken the blue pill.

Choose your side decepticons or autobots.


One side are the oath keepers protecting liberty and autonomy.
The other is going around breaking oaths and using drones to kill people with robots while saying it is bad to want freedom and that only people in military should have guns. (meanwhile they are arming the gangs and then blaming the violence on honest people to make them look dangerous)

The ghosts of the dead kids hopefully haunt these gun grabbers for being responsible for their deaths due to the creation of the gun-free zone which is what school shooters go for. The gun grabbers are dangerous to society for not wanting people to have weapons to defend themselves. Maybe the families of the victims will sue the government or something. That is what I would do.

I predict lots more violence soon. I am watching for reports of dead gun right activists:

Keith Ratliff, 32, who helped operate FPSRussia firearms channel on YouTube, was found dead inside his Carnesville, Ga., office on Jan. 3 from a single gunshot wound to the head.

The man's death is being investigated as a homicide, Mike Ayers of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation confirmed to FoxNews.com.

"He [Ratliff] did sustain a gunshot wound that was not self-inflicted," Ayers said, adding that "robbery does not appear to be the motive."

Ayers said authorities have identified the caliber of the weapon used in the killing, but declined to elaborate further. He said Ratliff's office, which is attached to his home, was used to operate the YouTube channel as well as manufacture suppressors, noise-reduction devices for guns that are commonly referred to as "silencers."

Ayers said there were many guns found near Ratliff's body, but said those weapons were not involved in the killing. He said authorities are "actively interviewing people and seeking leads" and that the case is "progressing."

Ratliff leaves behind a wife and 2-year-old son.