Why xbox live isn't free

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 12:05 pm

I'll guess we will see how it runs in 2.40.

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 12:29 pm

Pat wrote:No, evolution is the non-random survival of random mutations. What you are referring to is called 'improvement'.

No, I'm referring to necessary changes in order for one to survive. I.e. PSN needed to be free or substantially cheaper to better Live because as it stands, offering the same thing Live has had for donkey's years at a price just would not work. Even if they did charge a substantially cheaper price, the next step by either company would be to implement it for free.

That's what I mean by evolution.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 12:30 pm

Then your understanding of the term is wrong.

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 12:32 pm

No, you're just being a prick trying to stand on a technicality rather than looking at the argument as a whole. You know it makes sense in this context, stop being a dick.

mech · Post by **mech** » 21 Jun 2008 12:34 pm

Twiztid Elf wrote:The thing is, XMB needs to happen at the OS level as a TSR. How they could have shipped PS3 this gen without providing room for it in the memory map is just mind boggling. The Xbox1 had it last gen ffs.

I'm not really across these techo issues, but that's my take on why they're finding it tough to implement?

Xbox 1, wtf?

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 12:34 pm

PSN does not necessarily need to be better than XBL or vice versa because they are available on isolated platforms. You can't get PSN on 360 or XBL on PS3.

PS3 and 360 are competing, but not the services. And it's not evolution.

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 12:39 pm

I'm talking about evolution as in the evolution of online gaming with respect to game consoles. Yes, you could look at it as improvements, but so could you with anything that evolution is involved in.

Yes, I do believe PSN needs to be better than XBL.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 01:07 pm

And it will be with in-game XMB.

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 01:29 pm

Congrats.

GreyWizzard · Post by **GreyWizzard** » 21 Jun 2008 01:48 pm

GreyWizzard wrote:okay, just explain something to me...

I am online with my PS3 and I want to invite a friend into a game. How do I do this? Just explain the whole process of playing a game with one of your friends please.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 01:52 pm

Madmya wrote:Congrats.

Blotto · Post by **Blotto** » 21 Jun 2008 01:57 pm

only dumbass queenslanders think Live is value for money......

j/k.....

Talez · Post by **Talez** » 21 Jun 2008 02:30 pm

GreyWizzard wrote:
GreyWizzard wrote:okay, just explain something to me...

I am online with my PS3 and I want to invite a friend into a game. How do I do this? Just explain the whole process of playing a game with one of your friends please.

The game will usually have the option if it's able to be played online.

For instance, LEGO Star Wars I pause the game, go to Online Settings and select "Invite A Friend". The game then activates the friend invite mechanism built into the OS. From there I can choose participants, it sends it to their XMB and they join the game if they want.

westical · Post by **westical** » 21 Jun 2008 02:32 pm

If they're playing a different game they don't see anything though?

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 02:38 pm

Depends on the game. Everybody's Golf has an in-game xmb option so you can see if you have other invites.

mech · Post by **mech** » 21 Jun 2008 02:43 pm

If it's like Rock Band they see a notification saying "You got a message" and there's an invite in your messages.

Most of my games you have to do an invite in the game and there's no message thing. So you have to coordinate things in other ways if you're not both in the game.

It's definitely not ideal, but hey, it's free and it works. And at least we get dedicated servers

Blotto · Post by **Blotto** » 21 Jun 2008 03:39 pm

while Live in its present form is better its not $80 a year better....

when 2.40 comes out that fact will be highlighted even further....

MS in the future will have no choice to ditch the subscription fees.....

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 04:34 pm

which is pretty much what i've been saying, thanks dick!

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 04:35 pm

... along with your misunderstanding of evolution.

Madmya · Post by **Madmya** » 21 Jun 2008 04:41 pm

How so? The word evolution can't be used in anything unless genes were mutated?

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 04:44 pm

No, you just provided a bad example of what you thought it meant in the first place.

Megaman · Post by **Megaman** » 21 Jun 2008 04:44 pm

Pat wrote:No, evolution is the non-random survival of random mutations.

What? I think the word 'evolution' pre-dates any understanding by man of the concept of mutation, genetics and so on.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 04:46 pm

But the understanding of the word has since changed. Madmya implies evolution is directed, which in the case of xbl/psn is the case. But in general it isn't directed at all.

Cletus · Post by **Cletus** » 21 Jun 2008 04:52 pm

Anyone who thinks a superior online multiplayer platform will be free and incude all the great features of a paid service is nuts. Sony can't charge for what they offer....not yet. But give it time. At the moment the only real selling point for PSN is that it's free. The larger part of gamers wouldn't know the real differences between the two....and in truth I doubt anyone buys PS3 based on the online offerings at this point.

Sony won't wear the cost of PSN forever. But what will they do..announce a premium service similar to LIVE or will they say that nobody wants online multiplayer. They don't seem any more interested in online gaming than they were with the PS2.

LIVE subscription is way too high but at half the price, the service would be more than value for money. Just knowing what your friends are playing, crossgame chat and invites and messages make LIVE a very smooth experience. I'd always be happy to pay for that...so long as my friends also supported the service.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » 21 Jun 2008 04:54 pm

... in-game XMB will mean PS3 equals XBL in that and all respects, cletus.