Except have an actual marriage that is recognised by law. To have a day where it is completely untarnished by the fact that there is that cloud hanging over us. Yeah sure.. we can have a ceremony and have people along.. but the knowledge that it's just not the same.. that affects it. Imagine if your parents disowned you for marrying someone they disapproved of.. your wedding day would feel somewhat different, wouldn't it? It's very much like that.lestat wrote:What opportunities are you talking about? We've already established you can do anything you like without being married these days. In terms of social acceptance, sorry but if you live an a very religious area, you're still going to get those looks. You guys detest the thought of a plebiscite but it just reflects if the public acceptance is there, if 50% say no, 50% say yes, there are still 50% of people in the world that will give you those looks.GeneraL CyberFunK wrote: 1. If I was allowed to get married.. I would and also my family would feel better knowing that as far as our society goes.. we aren't different.. we have the same opportunities.. there would be a sense of not being on the fringe of what is considered allowed and acceptable. While I don't think our society is *quite* at that point where I can happily hold hands in public or anything like that without feeling eyes on me.. it is a optimistic and cautiously liberating feeling to think that we can step out and know that not only most people are okay with it.. but the law considers our love to be equal to everyone else.
In terms of social acceptance - I am very much aware that those looks are still happening and will continue to happen for some time to come.. that doesn't mean I shouldn't hope that we can progress our society forward so this doesn't happen. You talk like we shouldn't bother. Pretty sure interracial couples still get the odd look.. should they just give up too? Hell no.
Here ya go free power of attorney forms.GeneraL CyberFunK wrote: 2. Your insistence with regards to gay people getting PoA for having equal rights is getting ridiculous. I did follow up about all of this.. A marriage certificate effectively is done and dusted in terms of rights/equality.. yet you want my partner and I to get a PoA and commit more time and money for the exact same rights under the law? That is not the same.
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Cheaper than the registered marriage certificate. You'll save on the celebrant and all the costs associated with weddings.
Government has lots of free resources for planning ahead, no marriage required.
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Just a taste...
Other situations where we are not equal.. certain health providers will simply not allow us to be listed together on the same private health plan is one of many. When I was in hospital was a perfect example also... my partner was not immediately permitted into see me in emergency. Do you think simply saying oh I have a PoA means admittance.. yeah no. It doesn't. Yet saying you're married does! Interesting eh?
No problem with guys experimenting/doing what they want.. I have issue if it's cheating though... that's where it's not on.Froggy wrote:Oh the amount of married dudes into it are off the charts or dudes going for a Grindr hook up because the gf will never suspect it.GeneraL CyberFunK wrote:Based on my experience.. I think both are more fluid than what people accept and believe.. but don't want to explore it for fear of rejection and/or the idea of being seen negatively.. it's not like our society has been all that accepting of it over the years.. though as things are more accepted.. the rate in which men admit to and do engage in same sex sexual activity has risen too... which implies that it is not as taboo as first thought.
In short. Still waiting for Hugh Jackman and Henry Cavill to get it on.